Boundary between discrete&continous

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the boundary and differences between discrete and continuous phenomena, particularly from a mathematical and physical perspective. Participants explore the conceptual distinctions, implications in physics, and the mathematical frameworks involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the real boundary between discrete and continuous phenomena, seeking to understand their fundamental differences and the potential for transitions between them.
  • Another participant suggests that the distinction can be illustrated through examples from elementary mathematics, such as irrational numbers, which require infinite sums for exact representation, contrasting with finite sets.
  • A third participant agrees with the notion that discrete concepts in physics arise from infinite mathematics, indicating a connection between the two realms.
  • One participant proposes that continuous mathematics is fundamentally linked to limiting processes, referencing concepts such as continuity, limits of sequences, differentiation, and integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the distinctions between discrete and continuous, with no consensus reached on a definitive boundary or resolution of the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining the boundary between discrete and continuous, with references to mathematical concepts that may depend on specific definitions and interpretations.

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what is the real boundary(or difference) between discrete&continous(as the title)? my major is physics and i find that scientists are dealing with the different treatment to these two kinds of phenomenons, but what is the real boundary? by this i mean what they actually are and how they ARE DIFFERENT from each other? we know that there is something like a transition,but will transitions really be found? I consider this a math problem so i write it here. is any mathematician working with this? (forgive my poor english)
 
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I am not an expert on this subject, but probably the best way to describe how they are different (in terms of elementary math) is to consider a number like pi or Euler's e or the square root of 2. These numbers cannot be expressed in terms of a finite set of other numbers. You need an infinite sum of numbers to express it in exact terms. Without an infinite set of terms, you can only produce an approximation.

There are definitely others, but finite vs infinite is perhaps the easiest analogy.

Surely some one can chime in about Cantor's uncountability proof.
 
i know what u mean. Discrete in physics is born from infinity inf maths. thank u !
 
Personally, I would say that continuous mathematics has to do with limiting processes. Continuity, limits of sequences, differentiation, integrals-- these all have to do with limiting processes, one way or another.
 

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