Boundary condition: null traction on the boundary of an elastic block

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The discussion revolves around the boundary condition of null traction on the boundary of an incompressible elastic block, specifically in the context of finite bending. Participants explore the interpretation of the Cauchy stress tensor and the implications of imposing null traction on curved boundaries.

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  • One participant seeks to understand the geometric interpretation of the null traction condition, suggesting that it implies the normal component of stress is zero.
  • Another participant clarifies that null traction means both normal and shear stresses must be zero, and questions the direction of the stress arrows.
  • There is a discussion about whether the shear stress components are indeed zero, with some participants agreeing that they are aligned with the coordinate directions.
  • One participant attempts to derive the condition for null normal stress at a specific radius, using the Cauchy theorem to relate the stress components.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the derivation and emphasizes the need to consider the outward normal direction in the stress projection.
  • There is a question about the meaning of the first Piola-Kirchhoff stress tensor component in the context of imposing null traction on curved boundaries, with uncertainty expressed regarding the specific component used.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the boundary conditions and the implications of the stress tensor components. Some agree on certain aspects, such as the alignment of stress axes, while others raise questions about specific details, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants reference specific equations and conditions from the source material, indicating that their understanding is contingent on these definitions and interpretations. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the mathematical relationships and boundary conditions.

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Hi everyone,

I'm trying to understand the rationale behind the boundary condition for the problem "Finite bending of an incompressible elastic block". (See here from page 180).Here we have as Cauchy Stress tensor (see eq. (5.82)):

##T = - \pi I + \mu (\frac{l_0^2}{4 \bar{\theta}^2 r^2} e_r \otimes e_r + \frac{4 \bar{\theta}^2} r^2{l_0^2} e_{\theta} \otimes e_{\theta}- I)##

At page 183, in order to impose null traction on the curved boundaries, the author writes

##T_r(r_i) = T_{r_i + h}=0##

I'm having some troubles on how to interpret geometrically the first one of the two above conditions. I'll add a sketch hereafter.
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My guess is that, since #T_r# is the normal stress (i.e. in #e_r# direction), I'd say that the direction of traction is the same in both conditions, and the only thing that changes is that the evaluation is performed at different radius. In my understanding, what the author wants to impose is that those two blue arrows have 0 length, i.e. the normal component of the stress is identically 0. Is this correct?

Is that right?
 
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No. Null traction means that both the normal stress and the shear stress are zero. Also, the inner blue arrow should be flipped.
 
@Chestermiller Thanks for your answer.
So the author doesn't impose explicitely ##T_{r \theta} = 0## because they're already zero, right?Another thing: I agree with you that the inner blue arrow should be flipped. But ##T_r(r_i)= e_r \cdot T(r_i) e_r## and I don't see how it can be flipped, from this computation.
 
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I've tried to solve by myself the second question. I'd be really happy to have your feedback about this. Let's say that I want to impose null normal stress at ##r=r_i##.

The normal versor there is ##-e_r##, so I should impose ##-e_r \cdot T(r_i)(-e_r)=0## because I want to know the projection in direction ##-e_r## of the stress with outward normal ##-e_r##. Now, by the Cauchy thm. we have ##T(-n)=-T(n)## and hence the condition reads ##-e_r \cdot -(T(r_i)e_r)=0## which is equivalent to ##T_r(r_i)=0## which is indeed what the author asks. Is my argument correct?
 
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@Chestermiller Did I wrote my last argument too badly to be answered? Let me know if I was not clear enough
 
bobinthebox said:
@Chestermiller Thanks for your answer.
So the author doesn't impose explicitely ##T_{r \theta} = 0## because they're already zero, right?Another thing: I agree with you that the inner blue arrow should be flipped. But ##T_r(r_i)= e_r \cdot T(r_i) e_r## and I don't see how it can be flipped, from this computation.
You need to dot it with ##-e_r## to get the traction on the surface. This follows from the Cauchy stress relationship.
 
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bobinthebox said:
I've tried to solve by myself the second question. I'd be really happy to have your feedback about this. Let's say that I want to impose null normal stress at ##r=r_i##.

The normal versor there is ##-e_r##, so I should impose ##-e_r \cdot T(r_i)(-e_r)=0## because I want to know the projection in direction ##-e_r## of the stress with outward normal ##-e_r##. Now, by the Cauchy thm. we have ##T(-n)=-T(n)## and hence the condition reads ##-e_r \cdot -(T(r_i)e_r)=0## which is equivalent to ##T_r(r_i)=0## which is indeed what the author asks. Is my argument correct?
Yes. Much better.
 
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The traction vector at ri is $$-T_{rr}e_r-T_{r\theta}e_\theta$$

NEVER MIND. I see from your representation of the stress tensor that the principal axes of stress are aligned with the coordinate directions, so the shear stress components are zero.
 
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Yes, because you used the fact that ##T(-n) = -T(n)##, where now ##n = e_r##. Since ##T e_r = T_{rr} e_r + T_{r \theta} e_{\theta}## and the normal at ##r= r_i## is ##-e_r## we have

## T(-e_r)=-T(e_r)=-T_{rr} e_r - T_{r \theta} e_{\theta}##, as you wrote. I feel like I got it now.@Chestermiller I have a really last question about the imposition of boundary conditions.

Assume we're using first Piola-Kirchoff stress tensor in order to solve the problem. It is defined at (5.83) in the link I posted above. In order to impose null traction on the curved boundaries the author writes

##S_{r1}(\pm \frac{h_0}{2})=0##

(equation (5.100))

But I can't see the meaning of ##S_{r1}##. I only understand that the evaluation at ##\pm \frac{h_0}{2}## is needed to act on the curved boundaries, but have no idea about why I have to use component ##S_{r1}##.
 

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