News Breaking Down the 2016 POTUS Race Contenders & Issues

[jim hardy]

thread needed a little levity. eh ? good one..

 

[Dotini]

Finally we are getting down to core issues. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/politics/hillary-clinton-aliens.html?_r=0

It does beg the question, which are we more likely to see; proof of aliens, or Donald Trump's tax returns?

From the NYT article cited:
“It shouldn’t be a source of embarrassment to discuss it,” said Christopher Mellon, a former intelligence official at the Defense Department and the Senate Intelligence Committee. “We should be humble in terms of recognizing the extreme limits of our own understanding of physics and the universe.”

 

[WWGD]

And now Trump will be hlding a fundraiser : http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html?_r=0 . And he still does not show his tax returns. So much for those who claim that he tells it like is; blunt but honest.

 

[jim hardy]

A search of that article returns neither "hiding" nor "hide" nor "fundraiser"

where's the beef ?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

From the NYT article cited:
“It shouldn’t be a source of embarrassment to discuss it,” said Christopher Mellon, a former intelligence official at the Defense Department and the Senate Intelligence Committee. “We should be humble in terms of recognizing the extreme limits of our own understanding of physics and the universe.”

Well, with Trump's attitude about aliens, I'm surprised he hasn't hit her on this yet. Is DT pro ET?

 

[Dotini]

Well, with Trump's attitude about aliens, I'm surprised he hasn't hit her on this yet. Is DT pro ET?

Sadly, Trump is said to be neither a thinker nor a reader. It may be Hillary has left herself open to yet one more mockery from The Donald.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Sadly, Trump is said to be neither a thinker nor a reader. It may be Hillary has left herself open to yet one more mockery from The Donald.

One would assume that she has made the calculation that she has more to gain than to lose. However...

Roughly 21% of Americans believe aliens crashed at Roswell. But a “sanity gap” emerges when you take into account party affiliation: 27% of Mitt Romney voters believe in the UFO coverup, versus 16% of voters who backed President Obama in 2012.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...blicans-conspiracy-theories-article-1.1306229

I thought she may hope to gain some ground with the younger vote by going public with this, but that doesn't seem to be significant either. I don't see a huge age gap in the beliefs here.
http://www.thearda.com/quickstats/qs_61_p.asp

Wouldn't it be funny if Trump agreed with her on this!

 

[Dotini]

One would assume that she has made the calculation that she has more to gain than to lose. However...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...blicans-conspiracy-theories-article-1.1306229

I thought she may hope to gain some ground with the younger vote by going public with this, but that doesn't seem to be significant either. I don't see a huge age gap in the beliefs here.
http://www.thearda.com/quickstats/qs_61_p.asp

Wouldn't it be funny if Trump agreed with her on this!

According to those stats, young, left-leaning, non-worshipping and highly educated folks might seem inclined to believe in ET. But who knows where they are? Trump knows what Americans are worried about here and now, and is skillfully and opportunistically taking advantage of this. If there is political advantage to be had in taking any position at all on ET, it would indeed be funny - in a weird sort of way. It might serve to loosen up - to make liquid and inchoate - people's hold on reality. In an environment where anything is seen as possible, perhaps people will vote unexpectedly and emotionally for a perceived messiah?

 

[Astronuc]

Trump, Ryan, pledge to work together; endorsement may come
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-ryan-prepare-meet-republicans-call-unity-072436796--election.html

Despite differences, apparently they plant to work together to unify the conservative base.

 

[Evo]

Love the Donald's new look, his face is as orange as his hair. It's in the news, it's in Astros' link above!

 

[WWGD]

A search of that article returns neither "hiding" nor "hide" nor "fundraiser"

where's the beef ?

Sorry, that was supposed to be _holding_ a fundraiser. From the link:

"Mr. Trump, who by the end of March had spent around $40 million of his fortune on the primaries, has said that he may need as much as $1.5 billion for the fall campaign, but that he will seek to raise it from donors rather than continue to self-finance"

Trump repeatedly decried the corrupting influence of donor money on politics. And his tax returns, which he promised to show at the ed of January are still nowhere to be found. And please don't tell me Hillary is worse, because I don't support Hillary.

 

[WWGD]

Love the Donald's new look, his face is as orange as his hair. It's in the news, it's in Astros' link above!

And Tropicana is also endorsing him.

 

[mheslep]

...And his tax returns, which he promised to show at the ed of January are still nowhere to be found..

Where does the statement of "january" release appear? I see after the "audit"

 

[Astronuc]

And Tropicana is also endorsing him.

and Orange Julius and the carrot producers of America.

Maybe his official drink with be the original Tang (orange).Bob Gates on how Trump stands out from past presidents
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bob-gates-donald-trump-national-security-past-presidents/

Trump, though, has a go-it-alone mentality that could be harmful if he's elected president, Gates said.

"I guess one of the things that makes it challenging for me is that he seems to think that he has all the answers and that he doesn't need advice from staff or anybody else," he said.

Gates outlined his concerns with Trump's positions on national security issues, as well as his temperament.

"Well, I have some real issues with things he's said about national security policy and some concerns--I think there are some contradictions," he said.

Meanwhile - Financial analyst, Charles Ortel, alleges major holes in Clinton Foundation records
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ajor-holes-in-clinton-foundation-records.html

Charles Ortel, who gained recognition for correctly identifying problems with General Electric's financial statements in 2008, has prepared 40 reports highlighting discrepancies that he said proves the Clinton Foundation has covered up cash flow since 1997.

 

[bballwaterboy]

If more details come out about the finances of the Clinton Foundation, what do you guys think is the worst that could happen?

Are we talking about anything criminal here or just embarrassing to the Clintons?

I've been hearing about this topic online quite a bit, but wonder just how potentially damaging any leaks could be?

 

[phinds]

If more details come out about the finances of the Clinton Foundation, what do you guys think is the worst that could happen?

Are we talking about anything criminal here or just embarrassing to the Clintons?

I've been hearing about this topic online quite a bit, but wonder just how potentially damaging any leaks could be?

Speculation seems pointless since one can imagine unlikely scenarios ranging from total innocence to clear cut criminal guilt. I mean, make up any desired result and you can construct a possible scenario that would result in that outcome.

 

[WWGD]

Where does the statement of "january" release appear? I see after the "audit"

Sorry, could not find the link from last time. Still, he was asked to release them in February and has refused so far.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/trumps-tax-returns/

And the IRS has said there is no reason to wait for the audit t o be over. And even then, he could release those from any of the 10 previous years.

 

[mheslep]

Sorry, could not find the link from last time. Still, he was asked to release them in February and has refused so far.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/trumps-tax-returns/

And the IRS has said there is no reason to wait for the audit t o be over. And even then, he could release those from any of the 10 previous years.

Yes Trump has been asked by the press to produce his tax returns repeatedly.

 

[Astronuc]

I like the comments by Gov. John Hickenlooper.
https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/john-hickenlooper-running-beer-business-202626077.html

 

[jim hardy]

I honestly hope tomorrow stays peaceful.

https://www.facebook.com/events/122901818125485
¡Alerta! There is an enemy at our doorstep. Donald Trump is planning to hold a rally at the San Diego Convention Center on Friday afternoon, May 27, 2016. Unión del Barrio San Diego issues this call to all anti-racists in San Diego and progressives in general, and to the Mexican community in particular, to stand united and oppose this anti-Arab, anti-Black, anti-Mexican, anti-Woman, power-hungry, neo-fascist oligarch who has every intention of taking for himself the highest political office within the current borders of the United States.

Trump and his trumpista followers are anti-Mexican to their core. This man started his presidential campaign attacking our community, and at every one of his rallies he escalates and expands his message of racist and misogynistic aggression. He has created a political climate in this country that threatens the safety of our communities, and we have no other choice other than to push back against trumpismo! We are planning an organized action in defense of our communities beginning at 1:00 pm at Chicano Park! All of us 100% united against Trump! On May 27th we look forward to struggle alongside compas and allies to defend our communities…

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2016/may/25/san-diego-police-prepare-for-fridays-trump-rally/
Police Chief Shelley Zimmerman said on Wednesday that law enforcement will tolerate no violence, disruptive behavior or unlawful acts when presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump holds a campaign rally at the San Diego Convention Center on Friday.

That FB post omits the fine print disclaimer buried in Union de Barrio's call on their website

http://uniondelbarrio.org/main/?page_id=2018
Compas, Allies, and anti-trumpistas –

Unión del Barrio in San Diego has put out a call for people to assemble at 1:00 PM in Chicano Park on Friday May 27, 2016. We have been organizing to defend barrios across Southern California for 35 years. The event that will take place this Friday is also a call to defend our community from the aggressively racist and violent rhetoric that has been pouring out of Donald Trump for months.

Ours is a defensive position, and as such our activity on Friday, May 27th will not tolerate any form of physical aggression, not from outside nor from within our activity. We expect the participation of families with children, older people, and fearless undocumented raza at our activity, and their safety and well-being is our priority.

This is a warning to aggressive trumpistas – stay away from us. We have nothing to say to you, nor are we interested in what you have to say. You are a supporter of Trump, and that is all we need to know about you.

This is also a warning to individuals that seek to physically disrupt or are looking to get into an altercation of some sort in order to express your anger about Trump. We understand your frustration, but you will need to express your anger elsewhere, outside of our planned activity. Any person seeking to provoke a physical altercation will be identified as a provocateur and will be asked to leave this organized event.

That being said, we welcome all anti-racists in San Diego, progressives in general, and the Mexican community in particular, to stand united and oppose this anti-Arab, anti-Black, anti-Mexican, anti-Woman, power-hungry, neo-fascist oligarch who has every intention of taking for himself the highest political office within the current borders of the United States.

¡Nos Vemos Pronto! – Friday, May 27th, 1:00 PM, Chicano Park

 

[Astronuc]

‘There is no drought,’ Trump declares in California

FRESNO, Calif. (AP) — Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump told California voters Friday that he can solve their water crisis, declaring, ‘‘There is no drought.’’

California is, in fact, in midst of a drought. Last year capped the state’s driest four-year period in its history, with record low rainfall and snow.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...-california/NFdjQgFwOs0FFeogiZq7mM/story.html



Starbuck's CEO on the 2016 presidential campaign
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/starbucks-ceo-weighs-2016-race-200031082.html

 

[Derek Francis]

Some predictions.

• No one from either party will make an independent run.
  
• Bernie won't win and if he can't do a landslide victory in California, he should quit.
• Since the convention is 3 weeks after California, Bernie has ample time to concede and compromise.
• I do think Bernie would give Hillary a strong endorsement, provided that the DNC treats him respectfully.
  
• Trump will unify the Republican Party for the most part.
• Exception to some of the older retired establishment (Romney, Bush), and people who want to run in 2020 (Ryan, Rubio) if Trump loses.

Here is my prediction map

Hillary just has to defend most of her light-blue states to win, whereas Trump needs to win most of the battleground states. It favors Hillary, but a Trump victory is possible. Her advantage with women, blacks and hispanics is key. The white male voter isn't as large of a base as it used to be. Romney in 2012 carried 62% of white voters yet still lost. Hillary should win the election unless Trump miraculously improves his favorability among minorities or if Hillary suffers a huge gaffe or scandal.

 

[Hornbein]

Some predictions.

• Bernie won't win and if he can't do a landslide victory in California, he should quit.

He will stay in the race. Then speeches about his view of the issues will be broadcast nationally from the convention. He can have a favored candidate make the speech and get millions of dollars worth of national exposure.

 

[mheslep]

Some predictions...

Total voter turnout in Michigan primaries:
Republican: 1.25 million
Democratic: 1.27 million

Clinton lost hers, Trump won.
If Michigan goes Trump, with the rest unchanged, it's over.

 

[StatGuy2000]

Some predictions.

• No one from either party will make an independent run.
  
• Bernie won't win and if he can't do a landslide victory in California, he should quit.
• Since the convention is 3 weeks after California, Bernie has ample time to concede and compromise.
• I do think Bernie would give Hillary a strong endorsement, provided that the DNC treats him respectfully.
  
• Trump will unify the Republican Party for the most part.
• Exception to some of the older retired establishment (Romney, Bush), and people who want to run in 2020 (Ryan, Rubio) if Trump loses.

Here is my prediction map

Hillary just has to defend most of her light-blue states to win, whereas Trump needs to win most of the battleground states. It favors Hillary, but a Trump victory is possible. Her advantage with women, blacks and hispanics is key. The white male voter isn't as large of a base as it used to be. Romney in 2012 carried 62% of white voters yet still lost. Hillary should win the election unless Trump miraculously improves his favorability among minorities or if Hillary suffers a huge gaffe or scandal.

From what I've gathered thus far, Trump has polarized opinion within the Republican party, so I'm curious to see on what basis you feel that he will unify the Republican party. Are you making your assumption on who he chooses as his running mate (so far still unannounced)?

 

[Astronuc]

"I believe that Trump University was a fraudulent scheme," Ronald Schnackenberg, a former sales manager at the university, said in testimony, the New York Times reported. "It preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money."

"I believed that Trump University was engaging in misleading, fraudulent and dishonest conduct," he said. "I found it particularly offensive that, while Trump University claimed it wanted to help consumers make money in real estate, in fact Trump University was only interested in selling every person the most expensive seminars they possibly could."

"Trump University salespeople, including me, uniformly told customers from the script that they would 'work with Donald Trump's real estate experts' and that these instructors were 'experts in today's real estate world' ... this was not true," sales executive Jason Nicholas said in his testimony.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-university-fraudulent-scheme-says-123900230.html

 

[gleem]

In Trump's book, Art of the Deal, He states " I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts."

Yes and it helps separating their money from them, as well as getting votes.

 

[Derek Francis]

He will stay in the race. Then speeches about his view of the issues will be broadcast nationally from the convention. He can have a favored candidate make the speech and get millions of dollars worth of national exposure.

Sanders' fiery campaign can either strike a compromise with Hillary, after he wins California. Or, he can be a sore loser, protest the DNC and no one but his supporters will respect him.

Total voter turnout in Michigan primaries:
Republican: 1.25 million
Democratic: 1.27 million

Clinton lost hers, Trump won.
If Michigan goes Trump, with the rest unchanged, it's over.

That's why I had it light blue instead of solid blue. Yes, Trump's blue-collar populism will appeal but it's still a solidly Democrat state. Trump can win it but he will have to allocate a lot of resources.

From what I've gathered thus far, Trump has polarized opinion within the Republican party, so I'm curious to see on what basis you feel that he will unify the Republican party. Are you making your assumption on who he chooses as his running mate (so far still unannounced)?

He'll unify most of it. He's already scored a ton of endorsement and the majority of Republicans have endorsed him. The older republicans like Romney and Bush won't like him, but most of the current ones would take him over a Democrat.;

 

[mheslep]

... it's still a solidly Democrat state.

Solid? On what basis? There's no more Granholm. In 2016: GOP governor, nine out of 14 US House seats GOP, majority GOP in the state House.

 

[mheslep]

Total voter turnout in Michigan primaries:
Republican: 1.25 million
Democratic: 1.27 million

Clinton lost hers, Trump won.
If Michigan goes Trump, with the rest unchanged, it's over.

That was Democratic 1.17 million

 

[Astronuc]

House Speaker Paul Ryan may have endorsed Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, but his office said Friday that he will not encourage other Republicans to support their party’s presumptive nominee.

And just one day after Ryan announced that he will vote for Trump, which came after a month-long standoff, the speaker denounced him for racially tinged criticisms of a federal judge.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/paul-ryan-back-criticizing-donald-000000382.html

 

[Ivan Seeking]

And just one day after Ryan announced that he will vote for Trump, which came after a month-long standoff, the speaker denounced him for racially tinged criticisms of a federal judge.

Ryan is unqualified to speak on this matter. After all, he's Irish!

One would think that Trump supporters would be running and hiding by now... I do see that even his pundits/spinners are having a hard time with this one. I thought Ann Navaro on CNN was going to blow a fuse. She was livid! And she's a Republican spinner.

I thought David Gergen said it best: The problem with Trump is that sometimes we see what and how he actually thinks.

 

[Astronuc]

Ex-Texas official: Trump U probe dropped due to politics
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ex-texas-official-trump-u-probe-dropped-due-065256970--election.html

Republican Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has moved to muzzle a former state regulator who says he was ordered in 2010 to drop a fraud investigation into Trump University for political reasons

Paxton's office issued a cease and desist letter to former Deputy Chief of Consumer Protection John Owens on Friday after Owens made public copies of a 14-page internal summary of the state's case against Donald Trump for scamming millions from students of his now-defunct real estate seminar.

Owens, now retired, said his team had built a solid case against the now-presumptive Republican presidential nominee, but was told to drop it after Trump's company agreed to cease operations in Texas.

Something smells rotten in Texas and with Trump U.

 

[jim hardy]

This article seems fair

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/donald-trump-gonzalo-curiel/485636/

...while Cohen frames Trump University itself as a criminal enterprise with Trump as the orchestrator of a racketeering scheme.

As you can imagine, Trump strongly opposes that characterization. In a motion for summary judgment in Cohen filed in March, he condemned the “pervasive abuse of civil RICO” that he says the case represents. “Indeed, if this case is allowed to proceed, it would represent an unprecedented and unprincipled expansion of civil RICO and transform virtually every alleged violation of consumer protection laws into a civil RICO claim,” Trump argued...

...While Curiel has allowed the case to proceed to trial, he has granted Trump some partial victories along the way on the size and scope of the cases. And instead of letting the trial unfold alongside Trump’s bid for the White House, Curiel delayed its start until after the election.

 

[Astronuc]

I thought Ann Navaro on CNN was going to blow a fuse. She was livid!

Ya think?!

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/03/politics/ana-navarro-donald-trump-mexican/index.html

 

[phinds]

Hey, good for her. Too bad more of the mainstream media doesn't tell it like it is the way she does.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Navarro's rant was even worse earlier that day when involved in a panel discussion. She was close to completely losing it on camera.

IMO, the Republican party has been edging more and more towards permanent irrelevancy. This week Trump may have pushed them over that line. They have likely lost the black vote and the Hispanic vote for a generation or more, not to mention anyone who objects to blatant racism in Presidential candidates. And the problem isn't just Trump. The problem is that he isn't being harshly and widely denounced by the party leadership. I strongly suspect that the Republican party by name just died.

I am a talk radio host. I am a political commentator. I am a writer. I was once a lawyer and once an elected official. I have always voted Republican. I have tried my best at times to justify those things I thought I could justify or ignore those things that should be ignored in the spirit of helping my team and my side. But I have met the proverbial bridge too far with Donald Trump and I am ashamed and horrified at friends of mine and party leaders who will look the other way to justify Donald Trump.
The partisan press has long muddied what is and is not racist in this country and now confronted by actual racism cannot bring itself to use the word lest it be judging Trump.

...The attacks are racist. To claim that someone is unable to objectively and professional perform his job because of his race is racism. And damn the GOP for its unwillingness to speak up on this. The leaders of the party, confronted by Todd Akin, abandoned ship for his stupid statements on rape and abortion. But the Party of Lincoln intends to circle the wagons around a racist. Damn them for that.

http://theresurgent.com/damn-them-for-that/

 

[jim hardy]

The problem is that he isn't being harshly and widely denounced by the party leadership.

? He's had worse press than Hitler.

The problem is our 24 hour-a-day "merchants of discontent" have convinced much of the populace they have a grievance.
A grievance is most poignant when almost redressed.

Idolize revolutionaries and you get revolutions.

 

[Hornbein]

I think that the presidency is largely irrelevant to the public's worries. The public are overwhelmingly concerned with domestic issues, while the president's bailiwick is patronage and foreign policy. Domestic issues are largely under the control of congress, so that's what matters.

To this end Sanders has endorsed twelve candidates. One US senator, four for congress, and eight in state legislatures. Of these twelve candidates, the most ear-catching name definitely goes to Zephyr Rain Teachout of New York. A lawyer, she's had a book published about political corruption (she's against it) and boldly chose to run against entrenched New York governor Andrew Cuomo. In the Democratic primary she got about a third of the vote, outstanding for a beginner. In some districts she earned two thirds of the primary vote, so she moved to one of those districts in upstate New York and is running for Congress with Sanders' support. Indications are that so far he has raised $600,000 for her campaign.

These few votes will make little difference, but the idea is to get potential future leaders a start on the ladder. Congressman, senator, and so on. Don't be surprised if some of Bern's faves get to make speeches at the convention. That's national exposure.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

? He's had worse press than Hitler.

I am saying that by not denouncing him in the strongest terms, people like McConnell and Ryan and doing permanent damage to the party's reputation with everyone except white people, and white people who deplore racism [not to mention that it insults and threatens all Americans]. I know I'm done. Never again will I vote for any Republican.

 

[Kevin McHugh]

In Trump's book, Art of the Deal, He states " I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts." /QUOTE]

Yeah, it's called pandering, and all polis do it.

 

[jim hardy]

Never again will I vote for any Republican.

i believe we have to quit re-electing the same old hacks from both parties.
That's why i made a few hundred of this bumpersticker last cycle

Trump and Sanders are in my book both non-establishment candidates. I'd vote for either of them on that point alone.
Both have enough sense to not push Putin so hard he'll draw first. Hillary and Cruz both scare me to death on that point.

 

[Astronuc]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Florida's attorney general personally solicited a political contribution from Donald Trump around the same time her office deliberated joining an investigation of alleged fraud at Trump University and its affiliates.
. . . .
The money came from a Trump family foundation in apparent violation of rules surrounding political activities by charities. A political group backing Bondi's re-election, called And Justice for All, reported receiving the check Sept. 17, 2013 — four days after Bondi's office publicly announced she was considering joining a New York state probe of Trump University's activities, according to a 2013 report in the Orlando Sentinel.

After the check came in, Bondi's office nixed suing Trump, citing insufficient grounds to proceed.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/florida-ag-asked-trump-donation-nixing-fraud-case-224334807--election.html

 

[jim hardy]

So Trump says that judges are not immune to bias ? I guess he'd know.
Is this the same G. Curiel?

FDR tried to pack SCOTUS
Obama himself attacked the Citizens United decision in a State of the Union address with the justices sitting right in front of him.

 

[mheslep]

So Trump says that judges are not immune to bias ? I guess he'd know.
Is this the same G. Curiel?
View attachment 101785

FDR tried to pack SCOTUS
Obama himself attacked the Citizens United decision in a State of the Union address with the justices sitting right in front of him.

True, both events were outrageous, though Obama didn't suggest the court ruled as they did in Citizens United because of the particular ethnic heritage of the judges, i.e. that they were "typical white" people.

 

[Astronuc]

Hillary Wears $12,000 Suit During Income Inequality Speech (It's now down to $7500)
http://www.sfgate.com/living/article/Hillary-Clinton-7968441.php

Maybe she's relating to constituents on Wall Street?

 

[mheslep]

Maybe she intends for everyone to have such a suit, a type of suit equality, or minimum Armani.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

i believe we have to quit re-electing the same old hacks from both parties.
That's why i made a few hundred of this bumpersticker last cycle
View attachment 101749

Trump and Sanders are in my book both non-establishment candidates. I'd vote for either of them on that point alone.
Both have enough sense to not push Putin so hard he'll draw first. Hillary and Cruz both scare me to death on that point.

I am worried more about character, experience, an adherence to science and logic, and temperament, than I am incumbency or being an insider. None of the accusations against Hillary are half as bad as many of the things Trump himself has actually said or said he would do. This latest debacle and many of his statements tell me he is the most dangerous Presidential candidate in my lifetime - dangerous to the Constitution and liberty, and all of humanity [The one thing he can do as President without Congressional approval is start WWIII]. First they gave us Bush II, then Palin, and now Trump. Like I said, I'm done. But I will try to keep an open mind: Maybe global warming really is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese and Obama is a Kenyan.

 

[jim hardy]

[The one thing he can do as President without Congressional approval is start WWIII].

 

[Hornbein]