Breather solution of the sine-Gordon equation

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The discussion revolves around the sine-Gordon equation for a field defined in dimensionless units. Participants are exploring the search for a breather solution using variable separation techniques, specifically examining the substitution of a proposed form into the sine-Gordon equation.

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of the definitions for the derivatives of arbitrary functions in terms of the variable separation approach. There is also discussion about the transformation of derivatives and the implications for the sine-Gordon equation.

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There is an ongoing examination of the expressions for the derivatives and their implications on the sine-Gordon equation. Some participants have suggested alternative forms and are working through the implications of these changes. No consensus has been reached, but there is productive dialogue regarding the correctness of the derivatives used.

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In a homework problem, the following statement is made:

Sine-Gordon equation for the field u(x, t) in dimensionless units reads:
$$u_{tt}-u_{xx}+\sin u = 0$$
Search for the breather solution in the form of variable separation:
$$u(x,t)=4\arctan (\Theta(x,t)); \Theta(x,t)=A(t)B(x)$$

a. Substitute the above equation into sine-Gordon equation. Transform derivatives of
arbitrariry function of ##\Theta## with the aid of ##\tilde{A}=A_t/A; \tilde{B} = B_x/B## in the following way:
$$\partial_t F(\Theta) = \tilde{A} \partial_\Theta F(\Theta), \partial_x F(\Theta) = \tilde{B} \partial_\Theta F(\Theta)$$


My question about this problem is if the definition given for ##\partial_t F(\Theta)## and ##\partial_x F(\Theta)## is true. Because chain rule gives:
$$\partial_t F(\Theta) = \partial_t(\Theta)\partial_\Theta F(\Theta) = BA_t\partial_\Theta F(\Theta) \neq A_t/A\partial_\Theta F(\Theta)$$

Furthermore, when it is substituted into the sine-Gordon equation, I obtain:
$$(A^2B^2+1)\tilde{A}_t-2\tilde{A}^2AB-A^3B^3=(A^2B^2+1)\tilde{B}_t-2AB\tilde{B}^2-AB$$
The LHS should become a function of A only, and RHS of B, but it seems like this is not possible.
 
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These are the quantities I have used:
$$\sin u = \frac{-4(\Theta^3-\Theta)}{(\Theta^2+1)^2}\\
u_{tt} = \tilde{A}_tB\partial_\Theta u +\tilde{A}^2\partial_{\Theta\Theta}u\\
u_{xx} = A\tilde{B}_x\partial_\Theta u +\tilde{B}^2\partial_{\Theta\Theta}u $$
where
$$\partial_\Theta u = \frac{4}{\Theta^2+1}\\
\partial_{\Theta\Theta} u = \frac{-8\Theta}{(\Theta^2+1)^2}$$
 
IanBerkman said:
Transform derivatives of
arbitrariry function of ##\Theta## with the aid of ##\tilde{A}=A_t/A; \tilde{B} = B_x/B## in the following way:
$$\partial_t F(\Theta) = \tilde{A} \partial_\Theta F(\Theta), \partial_x F(\Theta) = \tilde{B} \partial_\Theta F(\Theta)$$


My question about this problem is if the definition given for ##\partial_t F(\Theta)## and ##\partial_x F(\Theta)## is true.
I agree that what is written above is not correct. To see what they should have written, you have shown
$$\partial_t F(\Theta) = \partial_t(\Theta)\partial_\Theta F(\Theta) = BA_t\partial_\Theta F(\Theta)$$
Simplify the last expression by writing it in terms of ##\tilde{A}##, ##\Theta##, and ##F(\Theta)##.
 
IanBerkman said:
These are the quantities I have used:
$$\sin u = \frac{-4(\Theta^3-\Theta)}{(\Theta^2+1)^2}$$
OK
$$u_{tt} = \tilde{A}_tB\partial_\Theta u +\tilde{A}^2\partial_{\Theta\Theta}u\\
u_{xx} = A\tilde{B}_x\partial_\Theta u +\tilde{B}^2\partial_{\Theta\Theta}u $$
I get something different for ##u_{tt}## and ##u_{xx}##.
where
$$\partial_\Theta u = \frac{4}{\Theta^2+1}\\
\partial_{\Theta\Theta} u = \frac{-8\Theta}{(\Theta^2+1)^2}$$
OK
 
TSny said:
I get something different for ##u_{tt}## and ##u_{xx}##.

This could be true since I have used the "wrong" derivatives in the problem.

I have converted it to:
$$u_t=A_t B\partial_\Theta u\\
u_{tt} = \partial_t(A_t B \partial_\Theta u) = \partial_t(A_t B)\partial_\Theta u + A_tB\partial_{\Theta}(\partial_t u)\\
=A_{tt}B\partial_\Theta u + A_t B \partial_{\Theta}(A_t B\partial_\Theta u)= A_{tt}B\partial_\Theta u + (A_t B)^2 \partial_{\Theta\Theta} u$$
 
IanBerkman said:
I have converted it to:
$$u_t=A_t B\partial_\Theta u\\
u_{tt} = \partial_t(A_t B \partial_\Theta u) = \partial_t(A_t B)\partial_\Theta u + A_tB\partial_{\Theta}(\partial_t u)\\
=A_{tt}B\partial_\Theta u + A_t B \partial_{\Theta}(A_t B\partial_\Theta u)= A_{tt}B\partial_\Theta u + (A_t B)^2 \partial_{\Theta\Theta} u$$
I think you will be better off expressing these in terms of ##\tilde{A}##.

For example, take ##u_t=A_t B\partial_\Theta u##. Can you express this in terms of ##\tilde{A}## (without any explicit appearance of ##B##)?
 
That would indeed be ##u_t = \tilde{A}\Theta \partial_\Theta u## and ##u_{tt} = \tilde{A}_t\Theta u_\Theta + 2\tilde{A}^2\Theta u_\Theta + \tilde{A}^2\Theta^2u_{\Theta\Theta}## if I calculated correctly (it is a bit late now and I am a bit sleepy).

This looks a lot more appropriate and I will proceed tomorrow to work out the sine-Gordon equation.
 
IanBerkman said:
That would indeed be ##u_t = \tilde{A}\Theta \partial_\Theta u## and ##u_{tt} = \tilde{A}_t\Theta u_\Theta + 2\tilde{A}^2\Theta u_\Theta + \tilde{A}^2\Theta^2u_{\Theta\Theta}## .
OK, except I'm not getting the factor of 2 in the middle term of the expression for ##u_{tt}##.

This looks a lot more appropriate and I will proceed tomorrow to work out the sine-Gordon equation.
Sounds good.
 
Yes I saw where the mistake came from, I am going to revise everything a bit tomorrow when I am a bit more fresh.
 

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