Brightness of Radioluminescense?

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The discussion revolves around the brightness of radioluminescent materials, specifically focusing on tritium as a radionuclide. Participants explore the mathematical calculations for brightness, the choice of radionuclides and phosphors, and the factors influencing brightness, such as beta energy and emission rates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the maximum brightness achievable with radioluminescent materials and the mathematical calculations involved, specifically using tritium.
  • Another participant notes that the term "best" is subjective and can refer to various factors such as cost, efficiency, toxicity, and availability.
  • A participant explains that the glow comes from the phosphor lining the bulb, not the tritium itself, and suggests that a radionuclide with a shorter half-life could produce a brighter light.
  • One participant shares their personal lab experiment with glow-in-the-dark paints, comparing them to tritium bulbs, and expresses challenges in obtaining real tritium paint due to regulatory issues.
  • Another participant mentions the regulatory aspect of tritium, indicating that while there are limits, small quantities can be obtained under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on what constitutes the "best" radionuclide and phosphor for brightness, and there is no consensus on the optimal conditions for achieving maximum brightness. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approaches and materials.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the handling and availability of tritium, as well as the challenges in conducting experiments with radioluminescent materials. There are also unresolved questions about the mathematical calculations for brightness and the specific properties of various phosphors.

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How bright could you possibly get a radioluminescent material to glow? Let's use tritium as the radionuclide. How would you mathematically calculate the brightness? What is the best radionuclide and phosphor to use? Obviously it has to be a β-emitter. Would it depend mainly on the β energy?

Thanks for any help in advance.
 
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Best is a subjective term. Best could be the chaepest, the most efficient, the lest toxic to people or the environment, the easiest to produce, the most abundant naturally - any of these could qualify as "best".
 
The glow is from the phosphorus that lines the bulb containing the tritium. The tritium does not glow, it just radiates beta particles.
So your question is what is the maximum beta emission that a suitable phosphorus can handle. One hint might be given by the old CRTs, which could easily second as a roomlight even though the electron beam only illuminated a speck of the screen at anyone time. So my guess is a shorter half life material than tritium could support a much brighter beta light.
There are ogoing efforts to use such beta lights to power long life solar cells that are essentially impervious to outside conditions. Presumably the developers of these devices are trying to answer your question also.
 
Right, I know that it's not actually the tritium glowing. And strangely enough that is the same experiment that I am doing in the lab. I did some tests today with some glow in the dark paints that have a similar color and output power of a low end tritium bulb. I managed to get about 2 centivolts from a solar panel NOT geared for the correct wavelength. I am having serious issues obtaining real tritium paint(or something similar). Our lab does not have the necessary equipment or chemicals to do this. And since it is more of a personal project I haven't had much help.
Any idea where to buy it? I am sure regulation is pretty tight on tritium as it's used in thermonuclear weapons.
 
The exempt quantity for tritium is 1 millicurie, so (aside from cost) there is no regulatory reason you couldn't get some quantity less than that. Of course, tritium is difficult to handle since it is usually in tritiated water, which is tough to control.
 

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