Brown dwarfs and close binary systems

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The discussion revolves around the interactions between a high mass brown dwarf and a true star in a close binary system, particularly as the true star evolves into a red giant. Participants explore various scenarios regarding the fate of the brown dwarf, its potential to accrete matter, and the implications of such interactions.

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  • One participant questions whether a brown dwarf can be engulfed by a red giant's expanding envelope and what effects this might have.
  • There is uncertainty about whether a brown dwarf's gravity is sufficient to accrete matter from a red giant, with some suggesting it may ablate instead.
  • Participants discuss the timescale over which the brown dwarf's orbit might inspiral due to drag from the red giant's envelope.
  • There is speculation about whether accretion could ignite fusion in the brown dwarf and what the outcomes of such ignition might be, including the possibility of becoming a red dwarf or resulting in a supernova-like explosion.
  • Another participant notes that in binary systems, various configurations exist, and the dynamics can lead to significant interactions, but emphasizes that the specifics can vary widely.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of a brown dwarf accumulating enough mass to self-ignite, given its lower density compared to more compact stellar objects.
  • A participant provides a specific scenario involving a population II star and a defined orbital distance to clarify their inquiry, but notes that previous resources did not adequately address their questions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the potential outcomes of the brown dwarf's interactions with the red giant, with no consensus reached on whether accretion could lead to fusion or what the exact dynamics would entail.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that many variables, such as the mass of the brown dwarf and the specifics of the binary system, influence the discussion, and that general answers may not apply universally.

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(I honestly don't know whether this is Intermediate or Advanced. I'm guessing the latter since I don't know the answers and I've done second year astrophysics, but maybe I'm just an idiot.)

Let's say you've got a high mass (~60 Jupiter masses) brown dwarf in relatively close orbit around a true star. Let's further say that it's an F or G star that eventually climbs the Red Giant Branch.

1) Can that actually happen, or is there some effect that forbids it?

If the brown dwarf is in a close enough orbit, it will presumably be engulfed by the expanding envelope of its companion.

2) Is a brown dwarf's gravity sufficient to accrete matter from a red giant envelope, or would it ablate?
3) Presumably the drag from the envelope would cause the brown dwarf's orbit to inspiral. Over what sort of timescale would that occur?
4) If the brown dwarf would, in fact, accrete, is it possible for that accretion to ignite fusion? Could it happen before the inspiral caused it to merge with the star's inner layers?
5) If it did ignite, what would the result be? Would it become a red dwarf star in its own right, or would it explode in a runaway reaction like that in a type-Ia supernova? Or would there be some other result?

Thanks in advance.
 
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There's all sorts of binary systems which have been observed. There's two stars of roughly the same mass and spectral type; there's one giant and one smaller companion star; there's a normal star and either a white dwarf or neutron star in orbit around one another; just about any combination you can imagine. Some of these stars orbit so close that material from one star is transferred to the companion; some stars are so far apart that it may take decades to complete one orbit. It is possible for one star to be engulfed by its dying companion if they are orbiting close enough. In some binaries, a large companion may have gone supernova while the other star was still on the main sequence; that's one mechanism to get a neutron star orbiting a regular star.

A lot of the questions in your post cannot be answered in a general fashion. When two stars merge, it is unlikely that one or both will not be affected by this process. Remember, stars are just balls of hot gas. If you put a strong enough gravitational source near by one, its envelope can deform in extreme fashion.
 
A super Jupiter would still be massively out massede by any ordinary star. It would fare the worse in any close binary situation, It is difficult to imagine a scenario where it could accrete enough mass to self ignite.
 
SteamKing said:
There's all sorts of binary systems which have been observed. There's two stars of roughly the same mass and spectral type; there's one giant and one smaller companion star; there's a normal star and either a white dwarf or neutron star in orbit around one another; just about any combination you can imagine. Some of these stars orbit so close that material from one star is transferred to the companion; some stars are so far apart that it may take decades to complete one orbit. It is possible for one star to be engulfed by its dying companion if they are orbiting close enough. In some binaries, a large companion may have gone supernova while the other star was still on the main sequence; that's one mechanism to get a neutron star orbiting a regular star.

A lot of the questions in your post cannot be answered in a general fashion. When two stars merge, it is unlikely that one or both will not be affected by this process. Remember, stars are just balls of hot gas. If you put a strong enough gravitational source near by one, its envelope can deform in extreme fashion.

I am aware that answers will vary with parameters. That is why I gave the mass of the brown dwarf and the approximate mass of the primary. I am also aware that dense bodies can accrete matter from giant stars' expanded envelopes, but was unsure if a brown dwarf (being significantly less dense than a true compact stellar object such as a white dwarf, neutron star, or black hole) was dense enough to do so.

But if you want more specifications, let's say the primary's a population II star of 1 solar mass and the orbit is 0.8 AU.

SteamKing said:
This article contains a lot os useful information about the various flavors of brown dwarf stars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf

I have read it already. It did not answer my question.
 

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