Building an electromagnet, would appreciate advice

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around building an electromagnet capable of repelling a permanent Neo magnet and attracting an iron cylinder. Participants explore the specifications needed for wire gauge, number of turns, and core material, as well as the mechanics of the magnetic interaction.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the ideal gauge of copper wire and the number of turns on an MS rod core for a 12V DC supply to achieve the desired repulsion.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the orientation and positioning of the Neo magnet, questioning how the repulsion will be controlled and the weight of the magnet.
  • A participant suggests that the air gap between the electromagnet and the permanent magnet may affect the feasibility of the design, implying that the requirements may be overly ambitious.
  • There is a discussion about the effectiveness of using a coil with an air core versus a solid core, with a suggestion to test both configurations.
  • A participant raises a new question about attracting a 10mm x 10mm iron cylinder, asking what considerations should be taken into account for this application.
  • Another participant prompts for the reasoning behind the design work, seeking to understand the purpose of the electromagnet's intended use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the electromagnet's design and the effectiveness of various core materials. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal specifications and design considerations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific details about the weight of the Neo magnet or the exact requirements for the electromagnet's performance, which may affect the discussion's conclusions.

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Individuals interested in electromagnet design, magnetic interactions, and practical applications of electromagnetism may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi,
I want to repel a permanent Neo magnet using an electromagnet which i want to build. The distance from which it should repel is about 2 inches and to a height of 1 inch. So what would be the ideal gauge of copper wire and the number of turns on the MS rod as core, if i supply 12v DC through it?

I have already read through this related thread from a few years back: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/building-an-electromagnet-need-help.690449/
 
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How about posting a sketch of the concept. If the repulsion is in the z direction, how will the x, y position and the orientation of the neo magnet be controlled? Is the repulsion upwards against gravity or along something? How much does the neo magnet weigh?
 
Hi,
This is my rough requirement in the sketch...would really be thankful for the suggestions
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VYP said:
The distance from which it should repel is about 2 inches and to a height of 1 inch.
So you are wanting the air space between the end of the electromagnet core and the end of the permanent magnet to change from 2" vertically to 3" vertically and upwards?

You can't compromise on this? (Once details come to light I think we'll find you are asking much.)

Also, you have not provided the details Baluncore sought.
 
The coil surrounding the air core as illustrated on the drawing will have very little tractive force compared to a coil utilizing a solid core.
Wind one of each, and evaluate your results.

John
 
Thank you
What if i want to attract an iron cylinder 10mm*10mm vertically upwards...what all should I consider??
 
VYP said:
What if i want to attract an iron cylinder 10mm*10mm vertically upwards...what all should I consider??
You should consider explaining why you might want to do it. What is the reason of this design work ?
What do you want to build ?
 

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