Why is there a difference ?Melting Point of Lead & Tungsten: Find RMSA

Click For Summary
The discussion centers on understanding the melting points of lead and tungsten through the lens of atomic vibrations and Lindemann's criterion. The user is attempting to calculate the root mean square amplitude of atomic vibrations to determine the separation distance necessary for melting. They express confusion regarding the relationship between the amplitude of vibrations and interatomic distance, specifically whether melting occurs when the amplitude reaches 10% of this distance. Additionally, there is a query about the consistency of Lindemann's constant and how to accurately derive the spring constant and equilibrium separation. The conversation highlights the complexities of applying theoretical models to practical melting point calculations.
ibysaiyan
Messages
441
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Hi all, I have a question which is regarding melting point. I know that lindemann's criterion doesn't actually describe the phenomena of melting but is an approximation of what maybe occurring/ an intuitive approach.

So the question is in a tabulated form for lead and tungsten ( assuming crystals) with Youngs modulus, Molar volume and melting temperature given and they want me to describe the terms / details quantitatively.

I have assumed that they want me to essentially find out the root mean square amplitude of the vibrations which will eventually give me a separation distance (not equlibirum) that needs to be at least 10% of a fraction to the inter atomic distance.

Homework Equations

Root mean square of amplitude of atomic vibrations is given by the following equation:

\sqrt{<u^2>} = \sqrt{KbT/D} where D = spring constant.

D = Yr_{0}

The Attempt at a Solution



Data given for lead is:

T_{m} = 3650 K , Molar volume : 0.0953m^3 , Young's modulus: 36*10^10 N/m^2

My approach involved finding out the vibrational energy by kbT. Then equating that to 1/2kx^2 ( here 'x' = r-r0) but first I need to find out spring constant k and separation at equlibirum.

To get 'k' I have used the following equation:
k= Yr_{0}
and for r_{0} , Molar volume = N_{a}b* (r_{0})^3Is the above approach right ? is this how I am mean't to do it ?

Thanks for your replies and merry christmas !Edit: Also one more thing which confuses me slightly .. I know that lindemann's constant is a value which's usually same i.e doesn't vary but I have seen different variation to get it... is the rms of the amplitude of the vibration = C * interatomic distance ? can someone clarify this for me as well. Thanks!

EDIT2: If you have a look on the following links.. you will notice that there is a difference of powers for the mean square amplitude value <u^2> = ..
http://phycomp.technion.ac.il/~phsorkin/thesis/node4.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_point
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Can someone clairfy to me when exactly does melting occur. Is it when the root mean square of the amplitude gets to about 10% of the inter atomic distance or is it just the mean square of the amplitude ?

Also to find the inter atomic distance.. is that same as 'r0' separation of atoms at equilibrium ?

<u^2> = Cl^2 * a^2 is this the right expression ? Google hasn't helped much on this but has shown some conflicting form.
Thank you..
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
5K