Bullet Strikes Wheel - find rotations/second

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The problem involves a wheel made of rods and a metal ring, which is struck by a lead weight. The objective is to determine the rotational speed of the wheel after the collision with the weight, considering the principles of momentum and energy conservation.

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and energy in the context of an inelastic collision. There are attempts to relate linear and angular momentum, with some questioning the applicability of these concepts in this scenario.

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The discussion is exploring the conservation laws relevant to the problem, with participants offering insights into the relationships between linear and angular momentum. Some have provided calculations and expressed uncertainty about the results, while others are clarifying concepts related to momentum conservation.

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There is a focus on the implications of the inelastic collision and how it affects the conservation of momentum. Participants are also considering the definitions and calculations of angular momentum in relation to the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


The wheel shown in the sketch below, is comprised of two 50.0 cm long thin rods of negligible mass and a thin metal ring with a mass of 10.00 kg, mounted on a very low friction bearing. A 100 gram lead weight is shot horizontally at the stationary wheel with an initial speed of 50.0 m/s and sticks to the rim of the wheel. What is the rotational speed of the wheel plus lead mass immediately after the collision? Give your answer in revolutions/second.


Homework Equations


I = mr^2
L = Iω
KE = 1/2 mv^2
KErot = 1/2 Iω^2

The Attempt at a Solution


1/2 mv^2 = 1/2 Iω^2
1/2(.1 kg) (50 m/s)^2 = 1/2( 10.1 kg )(.25 m)^2 ω^2
ω^2 = (125 kg * m^2 / s^2)/ .315625 kg * ms^2)
ω = 19.9 / s
Rotations = ω/2pi = 19.9/2pi = 3.16 rev/s

The answer is .315 RPS so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong
 
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yesiammanu said:

The Attempt at a Solution


1/2 mv^2 = 1/2 Iω^2
Energy is not conserved--there's an inelastic collision taking place.

But what is conserved?
 
Is linear momentum/angular momentum conserved? I thought you couldn't go between the two
 
yesiammanu said:
Is linear momentum/angular momentum conserved?
One is, one isn't. Which?
I thought you couldn't go between the two
What do you mean?
 
I'd assume linear momentum isn't conserved because the momentum absorbed would be redirected to the earth, but doesn't the bullet have no angular momentum? I tried to think of treating it as a tangential force but there's no acceleration
 
yesiammanu said:
I'd assume linear momentum isn't conserved because the momentum absorbed would be redirected to the earth,
Good.
but doesn't the bullet have no angular momentum?
Sure it does. L = r X p.
 
Since r is the vector position relative to the origin, it would be .25m (where the origin in the center of the wheel, and the radius is .25m) and the p would be linear momentum, m*v, .1kg * 50 m/s = 5 kg * m/s

It's a tangent so the ABsin(theta) is simply AB, and that would be (5 kg * m/s)(.25m) = 1.25 m^2/s

L= Iw, I is MR^2 for a thin cylindrical shell

1.25 m^2/s = (10.1 kg)(.25 m)^2 w
w = 1.98 rad/s
1.98 rad/s / 2pi = .315 rotations per second

Thanks for help.
 

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