Burning Hydrocarbons with by products

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of creating synthetic hydrocarbons that do not produce harmful byproducts when burned. It explores the implications of combustion processes, the types of byproducts generated, and potential methods for improving hydrocarbon utilization.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a synthetic hydrocarbon could be designed to easily release hydrogen, which could then be used in a fuel cell to avoid harmful byproducts.
  • Others argue that burning hydrocarbons typically produces carbon dioxide and water if combustion is complete, but also highlights that using atmospheric oxygen can lead to the formation of NOx compounds.
  • A participant mentions that while complete combustion of pure hydrocarbons yields water and carbon dioxide, the common method of generating hydrogen, such as steam reforming of methane, still results in carbon dioxide or monoxide emissions.
  • There is a suggestion that finding a method to generate hydrogen while producing only solid carbon could be a lucrative breakthrough.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of byproducts produced from hydrocarbon combustion, with some asserting that complete combustion yields only water and carbon dioxide, while others note the potential for harmful emissions like NOx compounds. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the feasibility of creating hydrocarbons that do not produce harmful byproducts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the definitions of "harmful byproducts" or the conditions under which combustion occurs, which may affect the outcomes discussed.

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Would it ever be possible to make a synthetic hydrocarbon that wouldn't produce harmful by products.:redface:
 
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Yes. If the hydrocarbon easily gave up hydrogen and the hydrogen were used to power a fuel cell, no 'harmful' byproducts would be produced. It would be an advantage to be able to recycle the hydrocarbon and reduce it back to the original hydrocarbon.

If the hydrocarbon is simply burned, CO2, CO, aldehydes, NOx compounds, etc. can be produced depending on the equipment used.
 
usually when a pure hydrocarbon is burned you release CO and H2O if you inject pure O2 into the reaction like oxy-acetaline torches
 
When you burn a hydrocarbon, you get water and carbon dioxide if your combustion is complete and your fuel is pure. Thermodynamically, carbon dioxide is a desirable combustion product.
chemisttree said:
Yes. If the hydrocarbon easily gave up hydrogen and the hydrogen were used to power a fuel cell, no 'harmful' byproducts would be produced. It would be an advantage to be able to recycle the hydrocarbon and reduce it back to the original hydrocarbon.
Unfortunately, the most common method of doing that, steam reforming of methane, still produces carbon dioxide and/or monoxide. If you can find a way to generate hydrogen while producing only, say, solid carbon, you will become very rich...
 
russ_watters said:
When you burn a hydrocarbon, you get water and carbon dioxide if your combustion is complete and your fuel is pure.

If you use atmosphere as the source of oxygen, you can also produce NOx compounds... especially in systems that are designed to completely combust hydrocarbon to CO2 (lean burn systems).

russ_watters said:
If you can find a way to generate hydrogen while producing only, say, solid carbon, you will become very rich...

See here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=170679
 

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