Bush's Spiritual Advisor Backs Obama

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The discussion centers around the endorsement of Senator Barack Obama by Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, who previously served as a spiritual adviser to President George W. Bush. Participants explore the implications of this endorsement, its potential impact on Obama's campaign, and the broader political context surrounding it.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants find Caldwell's endorsement interesting due to his previous association with Bush, suggesting it may have complex implications for Obama's campaign.
  • One participant speculates that the endorsement could be a strategy to undermine Obama by linking him to Bush and his advisers, particularly in light of Republican efforts to support John McCain over Hillary Clinton.
  • Another participant comments on the significance of the endorsement, suggesting it may diminish the perceived responsibilities candidates have towards their spiritual advisers.
  • A later reply draws attention to Caldwell's controversial views expressed in the past, indicating a pattern in his associations with political figures.
  • Some participants engage in light-hearted banter, repeating phrases to emphasize their points or express skepticism about the significance of the endorsement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of Caldwell's endorsement, with some seeing it as potentially damaging to Obama and others questioning its significance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of this endorsement on the political landscape.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Caldwell's past statements and actions, indicating a complex relationship between political endorsements and personal beliefs, but do not reach a consensus on the implications of these factors.

flowerthrower
I thought this was interesting because of the long Jeremiah Wright thread:


Bush's spiritual adviser backing Obama

Published: Jan. 20, 2008 at 4:25 PM

HOUSTON, Jan. 20 (UPI) -- U.S. President George Bush's spiritual adviser, the Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, has decided to support the presidential bid of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

The leader of Houston's Windsor Village United Methodist Church said Obama's "character, confidence and courage" inspired him to support his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, the Houston Chronicle reported Sunday.

"I have been in contact with the Obama campaign team," Caldwell said. "I will be making visits on his behalf."

The pastor did clarify that his support of the Illinois politician was based entirely on his personal beliefs and did not represent support from his United Methodist church.

Caldwell's spiritual relationship with the Republican president has included performing the benediction at both of Bush's inaugurations.

Caldwell told the Chronicle he had informed Bush of his decision to back Obama and that the president accepted his decision.

(i'd include the link to the original UPI article, but it won't let me until I've made more posts.)
 
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Cue Russ coming in here saying "So what? Huh?? So?"
 
Poop-Loops said:
Cue Russ coming in here saying "So what? Huh?? So?"

:smile:
 
I wonder if this might be a means of hurting Obama by associating him with Bush and his associates. Some republicans have been working hard to keep Obama out because they are fairly sure McCain can beat out Hillary.
 
Poop-Loops said:
Cue Russ coming in here saying "So what? Huh?? So?"


haha. well, you know, i think it's profound personally...kind of nullifying the responsibilities of the candidates to their spiritual advisers.
 
He has a very different take on 9-11... http://www.houstonpress.com/2001-09-27/news/bush-spiritual-adviser-blame-the-church-not-bin-laden"

When Pastor Kirbyjon Caldwell rose to give the keynote speech at a community memorial service for terrorist attack victims, listeners no doubt expected a mixture of prayer and solace similar to what a handful of ministers already had delivered during the two-hour session.

Instead, Caldwell, the Windsor Village United Methodist Church preacher and frequent spiritual adviser for President George W. Bush, promised the crowd of 4,000 last week that he would "rock your boat." He proceeded to do it with a sermon partly built around his wife Suzette's observation that angry Americans should blame not Osama bin Laden but rather the church.

"Now whyyyyy is that?" Caldwell shouted. "Because the church has failed to walk and operate in the power and authority that has been given only to the body of Christ."

Congressman and House whip Tom DeLay smiled and applauded behind him onstage as Caldwell continued.

Tom DeLay, GW and now Obama. Notice a trend?
 
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chemisttree said:
Notice a trend?
In your posts, yes!

Recent Republican Nominees: George W. Bush (first term), George W. Bush (second term), John McCain (notice a trend?)
 
Gokul43201 said:
In your posts, yes!

:smile:
 

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