Bypassing Pauli Exclusion principle.

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This discussion centers on the hypothetical scenario of bypassing the Pauli Exclusion Principle, which governs the behavior of fermions like electrons. The conversation highlights the implications of allowing multiple fermions to occupy the same quantum state, suggesting that this could lead to phenomena akin to Bose-Einstein condensates. However, the discussion is ultimately deemed speculative and is closed due to its violation of established quantum mechanics principles, particularly regarding unitarity and state evolution.

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Suppose that somehow we could artificially bypass Pauli exclusion principle, and make electrons or any fermions for that matter occupy more than one state at the same time?

What consequences in nature will we see? what phenomenons will occur?
Suppose this mechanism for bypassing is limited in time, and needs some kind of interaction or force to yield it.
 
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Turning that kind of thing on and off would stretch and squeeze the state space, violate reversibility and unitarity, and generally make all the math gears seize up.

Best case scenario, you could use it as a probability pump. Worst case scenario, the universe immediately pumps its probability to 0. Actual case scenario, your post gets locked because this sub-forum isn't for speculation about ways the laws of physics could be different. Especially when those ways violate the postulates of quantum mechanics, like state evolution being unitary.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
Suppose that somehow we could artificially bypass Pauli exclusion principle, and make electrons or any fermions for that matter occupy more than one state at the same time?

What does "occupy more than one state at the same time" mean? That makes no sense.

If you mean "multiple fermions occupying the same state at the same time", that would make more sense (and would be what I would expect bypassing the Pauli exclusion principle to do). If you want to see what happens when you do that, google, for example, "Bose-Einstein condensate". Basically you're asking what would happen if fermions were bosons.
 
Strilanc said:
Actual case scenario, your post gets locked because this sub-forum isn't for speculation about ways the laws of physics could be different.

This hypothesis actually can be recast as just reclassifying certain particles under the current laws of physics (see my previous post). But I agree this topic can't really go any further without going out of bounds. Accordingly, this thread is closed.
 

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