Calc 1 practice exam question -- finding the y intercept of the tangent line

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the y-intercept of the tangent line to a polynomial function, given the equation of a line parallel to the tangent. Participants explore the implications of not having specific x or y values for calculating the tangent line's equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the challenge of finding the tangent line's equation without a specific x value, despite understanding how to derive the slope from the polynomial.
  • Another participant suggests that knowing the slope (m) and the y value allows for solving the y-intercept (b) using the equation y=mx+b.
  • A participant clarifies that while they have the slope and y as functions of x, they still lack specific values to express the equation in a familiar form.
  • There is a discussion about how the absence of specific x or y values complicates writing the tangent line's equation in standard forms like point-slope or slope-intercept.
  • One participant expresses realization about the confusion stemming from the problem's format being different from previous homework or quiz problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method to find the y-intercept but disagree on the feasibility of writing the tangent line's equation without specific values for x or y. The discussion remains unresolved regarding how to proceed without these values.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of having only the equation of a parallel line and the lack of specific x or y values, which limits their ability to write the tangent line's equation in a standard form.

J.J.T.
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I was given the equation of a polynomial told to find the derivative. easy enough.

Then asked to give the equation of the tangent line which I've only learned how to get in the form of the question: "find the equation of the tangent line at x="
They gave me the equation of a line parallel to the tangent.

Typically as we've seen these problems thus far its fairly straightforward derive equation for slope of tangent plug x into the original equation to find the y value and typically put in point-slope form. Alternatively i suppose you could find the y-intercept and put in y=mx+b form but,

How in the heck do you find either the y intercept of the tangent line or the x/y points to do that given only the equation of a parallel line?
 
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You have the slope of the polynomial at x. That's m.

You have the value of y at x. That's mx+b.

You have x.

So in y=mx+b you have y, m, and x. That let's you solve for b. Right?

Now you have y=mx+b for the tangent line.

So what is the y intercept for this line?
 
No we weren't given the "x" value or "y" value at which we should take the tangent. But were asked to write the equation of the tangent line. It seems like they only really gave us two ways to find the slope.
 
Ok, I will hold your hand a little more.

You have the values of x, y, and m as functions of x. The value of x as a function of x is just x. :wink:

The value of y as a function of x is the polynomial.

The value of m as a function of x is the slope of the polynomial.

So you can work out y = mx + b, and solve for b as a function of x. Because you have y, m, and x, as functions of x.

Right?
 
Even if i did that it would leave b still in the form of a function of "x" without knowing the y or x-value how am i supposed to write the equation in a familiar form e.g. point-slope or slope-intercept?
The way you're describing it I would end up with an equation that looks like "y=(derivative of polynomial)x+(b as a function of x)"?
 
J.J.T. said:
Even if i did that it would leave b still in the form of a function of "x" without knowing the y or x-value how am i supposed to write the equation in a familiar form e.g. point-slope or slope-intercept?
At the y-intercept for a line, what is the value of x?
 
Oh dang thanks for clearing that up. Wow... can't believe i missed that. It just threw me off my game because it was different from any of the hw/quiz problems.
 

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