Calculate Compressional Force of Separated Hydrogen Protons/Electrons

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The discussion focuses on calculating the compressional force exerted on Earth by separated hydrogen protons and electrons, specifically 7.00 g of hydrogen. The participants utilize Coulomb's Law, represented by the equation Fe = Ke*|q1||q2|/r^2, and discuss the need to account for the Earth's permittivity, particularly that of iron, to accurately determine the force. The final calculation suggests a compressional force of approximately 2.51*10^7 N, emphasizing the importance of using the correct values for charge and distance in the formula.

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Homework Statement



Suppose 7.00 g of hydrogen is separated into electrons and protons. Suppose also the protons are placed at the Earth's North Pole and the electrons are placed at the South Pole. What is the resulting compressional force on the Earth?



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Fe = Ke*|q1||q2|/r^2, radius of Earth is 6.38*10^6 * 2 to get diameter is 1.3*10^7...



The Attempt at a Solution


I believe this is the correct way:

7 * 6.02^1023 = 4.21*10^24 (since it is 7 hydrogens, and 1 hydrogen = 1 Avagrado's number)
= [(4.21*10^24)*(1.60*10^-19)]^2/(4^(6.38*10^6)^2) * 8.99*10^9 = 2.51*10^7. I think the reason we multiply by 4 is because we need to get the diameter for both proton and electron, giving 4.
 
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J89 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


I believe this is the correct way:

7 * 6.02^1023 = 4.21*10^24 (since it is 7 hydrogens, and 1 hydrogen = 1 Avagrado's number)
= [(4.21*10^24)*(1.60*10^-19)]^2/(4^(6.38*10^6)^2) * 8.99*10^9 = 2.51*10^7. I think the reason we multiply by 4 is because we need to get the diameter for both proton and electron, giving 4.
I don't follow your reasoning.

In order to determine the force between 7 moles of protons and 7 moles of electrons at opposite poles of the Earth you have to know the permittivity of the earth. Since the Earth is largely iron, look up the permittivity of iron.

Use:

F = \frac{Q_1Q_2}{4\pi\epsilon r^2}

where \epsilon = \epsilon_r\epsilon_0 (\epsilon_r being the relative permittivity of iron).

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