Calculate Distance Traveled: Instantaneous vs. Average Velocity

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The discussion revolves around calculating distance traveled by an object using instantaneous and average velocity. Participants explore the relationship between these concepts in the context of a particle's motion described by a velocity function.

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  • Participants question whether distance can be calculated using only instantaneous velocity and discuss the implications of integrating velocity versus speed. There is also a focus on understanding the distinction between average and instantaneous velocity.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the definitions of speed and velocity, noting that integrating velocity yields displacement rather than distance. There is ongoing exploration of why average velocity can equal instantaneous velocity under certain conditions.

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Participants express confusion regarding the integration of instantaneous velocity and its relation to average velocity, indicating a misunderstanding of the concepts involved. There are references to specific equations and a professor's explanation that are being analyzed.

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Homework Statement
Velocity of a particle is ##\vec{v}=V_0\left[-\sin \omega t \hat{i}+\cos \omega t \hat{j}\right]##
##V_0, \omega## are constants.
Calc dist, displacement during time ##t = 0## to ##t = t_{0}##
Relevant Equations
##\vec{v}=V_0\left[-\sin \omega t \hat{i}+\cos \omega t \hat{j} \right]##
edit: I don't know why my latex isn't rendering, any help would be appreciated.

Edit 2: The question was due to a misunderstanding I had, I thought integrating instantaneous velocity would give me average velocity.

I have attached what I have tried so far. I had a doubt. Can you calculate the distance travelled by an object/particle using only the instantaneous velocity?

I mean, is the speed travelled by an object in time interval t = 0 to t = ##t_{0}##
S = ##V_{inst}*t_{0}##

My professor basically did this [Image with prof in it]

The other one is what I think the answer would be. I calculate the average velocity from instantaneous velocity by integrating ##V_{inst}## and then found out the average speed by finding the magnitude of the average velocity <vec{v}>

So, who is right? (I know I probably am wrong, but I want to know why)
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You are asked to find a distance. Integrating a velocity gives displacement.
To find the distance travelled you need to integrate the speed, a magnitude, not a vector.
It just happens that in this case the speed is constant, so using the instantaneous speed is ok.
 
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I am really stupid to have asked this question, thank you for your reply!
 
hey @haruspex why is the avg velocity same as instantaneous velocity here?
 
Slimy0233 said:
hey @haruspex why is the avg velocity same as instantaneous velocity here?
No, the average velocity is not the same as the instantaneous velocity. Velocity is a vector, speed is its magnitude.
Look at what your prof did: found the speed by taking the magnitude of the velocity.
$$\left.\vec{v}=V_0[-\sin( \omega t )\hat{i}+\cos( \omega t )\hat{j} \right]$$
$$\vec{v}^2=V_0^2[(-\sin( \omega t ))^2+(\cos( \omega t ))^2]=V_0^2$$
So the speed is constant, and the average speed is the same as the instantaneous speed. The velocity is changing, though, because the direction keeps changing. Over time ##\frac{2\pi}{\omega}##, the average velocity is zero.
 
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Slimy0233 said:
Homework Statement: Velocity of a particle is ##\left.\vec{v}=V_0[-\sin \omega t \hat{i}+\cos \omega t \hat{j}\right]## ##V_0, \omega## are constants Calc dist, displacement during time t = 0 to t = ##t_{0}##
Relevant Equations: $$\left.\vec{v}=V_0[-\sin \omega t \hat{i}+\cos \omega t \hat{j} \right]$$

I mean, is the speed travelled by an object in time interval t = 0 to t = t0
S = Vinst∗t0
Alarm. Speed has the same units as velocity.
 
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