Calculate Energy Change for CaF2 Formation from Elements | 4290 kJ/mol

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy change for the formation of calcium fluoride (CaF2) from its constituent elements in their standard states. Participants explore the application of thermodynamic principles and energy equations in this context.

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  • One participant presents a calculation resulting in 4290 kJ/mol for the formation of CaF2, expressing confusion over the expected negative value.
  • Another participant questions the form of the energy equation being used and whether the magnitude of the energy change is correct.
  • A participant suggests that the equations need to be manipulated to achieve the correct formation reaction, specifically mentioning the need to reverse the equation for CaF2 to obtain a negative value.
  • One participant proposes multiplying the first equation to obtain F2 instead of 1/2 F2 and adjusts subsequent equations accordingly, leading to a new calculation of -1210 kJ/mol.
  • A later reply acknowledges the reasoning behind the adjustments made to the equations.

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Participants express differing views on the correct approach to manipulating the equations and the resulting energy change. No consensus is reached on the final value or method.

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Participants highlight the need for careful manipulation of thermodynamic equations and the implications of reversing reactions on energy values. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the correct application of these principles.

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Calculate the energy change for the formation of CaF2 (s) from its elements in their standard states and the following information:

Ca (s) + F2 (g) -> CaF2 ?
Ca (s) -> Ca (g) = 179.3 kJ/mol
Ca (g) -> Ca+ (ion) (g) + e- = 589.9 kJ/mol
Ca+ (ion) (g) -> Ca2+ (ion) (g) +e- = 1145 kJ/mol
1/2 F2 (g) -> F(g) = 79.0 kJ/mol
F(g) + e- -> F- (ion) (g) = -328.0 kJ/mol
CaF2 (s) -> Ca2+ (ion) (g) + 2 F- (ion) (g) = 2630 kJ/mol

Basically, what I did was add each one up in the order listed & I got 4290 kJ/mol. However, this doesn't seem to make any sense, because I want a negative kJ/mol, or at least according to the problems in the book (my first time dealing with these problems). Any ideas what is going on?
 
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What form of an energy equation is one using? Is one getting the correct magnitude for the energy change?
 
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kuahji said:
Calculate the energy change for the formation of CaF2 (s) from its elements in their standard states and the following information:

Ca (s) + F2 (g) -> CaF2 ?
Ca (s) -> Ca (g) = 179.3 kJ/mol
Ca (g) -> Ca+ (ion) (g) + e- = 589.9 kJ/mol
Ca+ (ion) (g) -> Ca2+ (ion) (g) +e- = 1145 kJ/mol
1/2 F2 (g) -> F(g) = 79.0 kJ/mol
F(g) + e- -> F- (ion) (g) = -328.0 kJ/mol
CaF2 (s) -> Ca2+ (ion) (g) + 2 F- (ion) (g) = 2630 kJ/mol

Basically, what I did was add each one up in the order listed

Think about your target equation: Ca(s) + F2(g) --> CaF2

If you add up all the equations, they will not give you the above.

1/2 F2 (g) -> F(g) = 79.0 kJ/mol
F(g) + e- -> F- (ion) (g) = -328.0 kJ/mol
CaF2 (s) -> Ca2+ (ion) (g) + 2 F- (ion) (g) = 2630 kJ/mol

you need to manipulate these 3 equations so that you get F2 (not 1/2F2)
and also that CaF2 is on the right hand side (what happens to the 2630 if you reverse the equation?) ...neg kJ/mol you are looking for
 
:) yes, I just came on to check the thread. What switched the last equation around to get -2630 kJ/mol, then I was thinking if I multiplied the first equation by 2, I'd get F2 (g) -> 2 F (g) = 158 kJ/mol. Then I'd have to multiply the next equation by 2 to get 2 F(g) + 2e- -> 2F- (ion) (g) = -656 kJ/mol. The add them all up to get -1210 kJ/mol. Or so I think ^_^.
 
good thinking :cool:
 

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