Calculate Gravitational Force at Distance R/2.41 from Star 1

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The problem involves calculating the distance from one of two binary stars where the gravitational force on a starship becomes zero. The mass of one star is twice that of the other, and the distance between the stars is given as R. The original poster attempts to derive this distance but arrives at an incorrect conclusion, suggesting it should be R/2.41 instead of their calculated 2/3R.

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  • Participants discuss the gravitational forces acting on the starship and question the setup of the equations used to find the point of zero net force. Some participants suggest alternative formulations and clarify the definitions of variables involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical reasoning and questioning assumptions about the arrangement of the starship relative to the stars. There is recognition of the need for clarity in the problem setup, particularly regarding the position of the starship.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the gravitational force can never truly be zero, only negligible, and question whether the starship is assumed to be exactly between the stars or at a different position, which could affect the calculations.

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A starship of mass m is traveling between a pair of binary stars that are a distance R apart. the mass of star 2 is exactly twice the mass of star 1. How far from star 1 will the gravitational force on the starship be equal to zero? Express the answer in terms of R.

When I try, I get 2/3R but the answer should be R/2.41

GmM/R^2(x) - Gm2M/R^2(R-x) = 0
GmM/R^2(x) - Gm2M/R^2(R) + Gm2M/R^2(x) = 0
GmM/R^2(x) + Gm2M/R^2(x) = Gm2M/R^2(R)
x = Gm2M/R^2(R)/[3GmM/R^2]

x = 2/3R
 
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grouchy said:
A starship of mass m is traveling between a pair of binary stars that are a distance R apart. the mass of star 2 is exactly twice the mass of star 1. How far from star 1 will the gravitational force on the starship be equal to zero? Express the answer in terms of R.

When I try, I get 2/3R but the answer should be R/2.41

GmM/R^2(x) - Gm2M/R^2(R-x) = 0
GmM/R^2(x) - Gm2M/R^2(R) + Gm2M/R^2(x) = 0
GmM/R^2(x) + Gm2M/R^2(x) = Gm2M/R^2(R)
x = Gm2M/R^2(R)/[3GmM/R^2]

x = 2/3R
Your whole formula is wrong! You have "R2" in the denominator of both fractions, but have multiplied by x and R-x. I have no idea why you would do that. I assume that "x" is the distance from the starship to the star 1 (it would be good practice to specifically say that) so the gravitational force from the star 1 would be GmM/x^2 and the gravitational force from star 2 would be Gm(2M)/(R-x)^2. Assuming the starship is between the two stars, the will be no (net)gravitational force on the starship when GmM/x^2= 2GmM/(R-x)^2. I would recommend you divide both sides of the equation by GmM immediately, then multiply boths sides by x^2 and (R-x)^2.
 
I don't know why but I keep getting stuck at (R-x)^2= 2x^2
 
You are almost there your final equation that you posted is right-- the rest is math:

[tex](R-x)^2 = 2x^2 \Rightarrow \\<br /> (R-x) = \sqrt{2} x \Rightarrow \\<br /> R = x + \sqrt{2} x \Rightarrow \\<br /> x(1+\sqrt{2}) = R \Rightarrow \\<br /> x = R/(1+\sqrt{2}) \Rightarrow \\<br /> x \approx R/2.41[/tex]
 
And technically, the force of gravity on something is NEVER 0. Although the Net Force can make it seem so. And it could just get to a point so low that its almost irrelvant. But the gravitational force between objects can't be zero, no matter how far apart they are. So I think you should have mentioned Resultant Force somewhere in there. And are we supposed to assume that the ship is right in between the stars? Because it could be arranged like this :
-> . · . <-
where the left and right dots are stars and the middle dot is the ship. Since the ship is not EXACTLY in between the stars (in this case the ship is higher on the "y-axis"), the distance would probably be different than if the ship was right in between.
 
KalvinDeathX said:
And are we supposed to assume that the ship is right in between the stars? Because it could be arranged like this :
-> . · . <-
where the left and right dots are stars and the middle dot is the ship. Since the ship is not EXACTLY in between the stars (in this case the ship is higher on the "y-axis"), the distance would probably be different than if the ship was right in between.
but then there would be a force composant pointing downwards, hence the net force in such arrangement can't be zero and it follows that the ship must be right in between the stars.
 
Very true, if gravity is the only relevant force.
 

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