Calculate Mass of Moon from Earth & Diameter

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of the Moon using its distance from Earth and its diameter, exploring various methods and formulas related to orbital mechanics and gravitational forces. The scope includes theoretical considerations, mathematical reasoning, and some historical context regarding the challenges of such calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions the possibility of calculating the Moon's mass by assuming it has the same average density as Earth.
  • Another participant suggests that the orbital period of the Moon, combined with its distance and the sum of the masses of Earth and the Moon, can be used to derive the Moon's mass.
  • A formula is provided to calculate the sum of the masses of Earth and the Moon based on the semi-major axis and the orbital period.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of the distance measurement, questioning whether it represents the semi-major axis of the Moon's orbit or a different measurement related to their combined center of mass.
  • A historical perspective is offered on the difficulties of calculating the mass and semi-major axes of celestial bodies, referencing the limitations faced even after Newton's contributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for calculating the Moon's mass, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the accuracy of the distance measurement used in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of distance and semi-major axes, as well as the dependence on the gravitational constant and the orbital period. The discussion highlights the complexities involved in these calculations.

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hi, i can calculate the distance of moon from the Earth and its diameter - but i could't get the formula by which i can calculate the mass of the moon - although i can calculate the mass of the moon by assuming it has same average density that of Earth -
 
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The orbital period of the moon depends on its distance and the sum of masses of Earth and moon - if you can determine this sum with sufficient precision, you can subtract the mass of Earth and get the mass of moon.
Satellites orbiting the moon are a better way to determine its mass - they give direct access to the gravitational acceleration at a specific distance, together with the gravitational constant this can be used to calculate its mass.
 
but how do i calculate the sum of Earth and moon mass?
 
Measure distance, orbital period and the gravitational constant.

##M+m=\frac{4\pi^2a^3}{GT^2}## with the semi-major axis a (for a circular orbit, this would be the distance)
 
I'm curious as to how you calculated the distance between the Moon and Earth. That distance might not be the semi-major axis of the Moon's orbit. It might be the sum of the Moon's semi-major axis and the Earth's semi-major axis, as measured from their combined center of mass. (The 'a' in the previous equation is actually the sum of the semi-major axes, or the distance you most likely calculated.)

In practice, calculating the mass and the semi-major axis of planets was an almost impossible task even after Newton turned Kepler's Third Law into a formula. You had a formula containing three unknown variables (the universal gravitational constant, the mass, and the semi-major axis) and the only known was the orbital period.

In fact, that's why the Earth's semi-major axis for it's orbit around the Sun was measured in astronomical units, with one AU being the distance between the Sun and the Earth. You could measure Jupiter's semi-major axis in AU's, but had no way to convert that into a more traditional measure such as kilometers.
 
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