Calculate Moon's Potential/Kinetic Energy, Escape Velocity & Period

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential energy, kinetic energy, escape velocity, period, and angular speed of the moon, given specific masses and distance from the Earth. The subject area includes gravitational physics and orbital mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for the moon's velocity to proceed with calculations and explore the relationship between centripetal force and speed. There are attempts to derive formulas for gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy, with some participants questioning the appropriateness of using certain equations.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided guidance on how to find the moon's speed and have pointed out the need for unit consistency in calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, with no explicit consensus reached on the correctness of the calculations presented.

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Participants note that the gravitational potential energy formula is not clearly defined in the original post, and there are discussions about the assumptions made regarding the height and the applicability of certain formulas. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the next steps in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the potential energy and kinetic energy of the moon, as well as it's escape velocity. Give the moon's period and angular speed. Consider the Earth to have a mass of 6 x 10^24 kg, the moon to have a mass of 7 x 10^22 kg, and their center separation distance to be 4 x 10^8 m.

Homework Equations


I = mr^2
F(g) = (GMm)/r^2
KE = 1/2(I)(Omega)^2
PE = ?
Omega = ChangeinTheta/ChangeinTime

The Attempt at a Solution


So far, I have drawn my free body diagram, and I've calculated the force due to gravity (the centripetal force in this case) to be 1.750875 x 10^20. This is based off the the F(g) formula. From here, I don't know where to move, because to calculate the other items I need, I believe I need the velocity of the moon, which is not provided. Can anyone give me a hand with this? Thanks!
 
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EthanVandals said:
1 I believe I need the velocity of the moon, which is not provided. Can anyone give me a hand with this?
How is centripetal force related to speed? (Review your lessons on uniform circular motion.)

Also, you have a question mark for the formula for gravitational potential energy. This is a basic formula which you should be able to easily find in your textbook or online.
 
Also, you know (or can look up) how long it takes the moon to make one orbit, and you know the diameter of the orbit, so it is a simple matter to calculate the moon's speed.
 
TSny said:
How is centripetal force related to speed? (Review your lessons on uniform circular motion.)

Also, you have a question mark for the formula for gravitational potential energy. This is a basic formula which you should be able to easily find in your textbook or online.
I mean, for PE, the only thing that shows up is mgh when I search it online. I also know that Centripetal Force and speed are related in the fact that the object must be moving at a certain speed, or else it would get pulled to the center, or it would go flying away and leave orbit. I found an equation that stated Fc = (mv^2)/r. I solved for v in this case, and I got a velocity of approximately 1000 m/s. I plugged in this value for the v in the omega = v/r equation and got a value of omega as 2.500624923 x 10^-6. I then plugged the mass and the radius into the equation Inertia = mass(radius)^2, and got a value of 1.12 x 10^40 for my inertia. I plugged both of these values into the equation KE=(1/2)(inertia)(omega)^2 and got a kinetic energy of 3.921960003 x 10^68. Is all of that correct so far?
 
EthanVandals said:
I don't know where to move, because to calculate the other items I need, I believe I need the velocity of the moon, which is not provided.

You know the radius so you know the circumference of the orbit and it's not hard to find out how long an orbit takes.
 
CWatters said:
You know the radius so you know the circumference of the orbit and it's not hard to find out how long an orbit takes.

EthanVandals said:
I found an equation that stated Fc = (mv^2)/r. I solved for v in this case,

Actually I think your method is better as it's only based on data in the problem statement.
 
You should work with units.
EthanVandals said:
I mean, for PE, the only thing that shows up is mgh when I search it online.
That is only an approximation for small heights (e.g. in a building). There is a more general formula based on F = (GMm)/r^2.

EthanVandals said:
and got a value of 1.12 x 10^40 for my inertia.
Okay so far, apart from the missing units.
EthanVandals said:
I plugged both of these values into the equation KE=(1/2)(inertia)(omega)^2 and got a kinetic energy of 3.921960003 x 10^68
You multiply something with 1040 with numbers smaller than 1. How can the result be larger?

You have the mass of the Moon and its speed, there is no need to use the moment of inertia as detour.
 

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