Calculate the change in energy vs. B for each state separately?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in energy versus a magnetic field (B) for specific electronic states in helium, particularly focusing on the Zeeman effect as observed in spectral lines. The original poster describes an experimental setup involving a helium lamp and a weak vertical magnetic field, aiming to analyze the wavelength differences in the observed Zeeman components.

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  • Participants explore the application of the Zeeman effect and the relevant formulas for energy shifts, questioning the calculation of g_F and the implications of helium's nuclear spin. There is discussion about the relationship between frequency changes and wavelength differences, with attempts to derive the appropriate expressions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing calculations and confirming findings. Some have reached partial conclusions regarding frequency differences, while others express uncertainty about the transition to wavelength differences and the significance of the observed wavelength of 728.13 nm. There is no explicit consensus, but productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants note constraints such as the lack of information regarding nuclear spin and the specific nature of the transitions being studied. The discussion also reflects on the assumptions made regarding the magnetic field's strength and its effects on the energy levels of helium.

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Over a He-lamp a weak vertical magnetic field ( B = 300mT) is beeing applied. The light from the lamp is beeing studies with a high resolution spectrometer in the direction of the B-field. What will the wavelength difference between the observed Zeeman components be in the transmission 1s2p 1P - 1s3s 1S at 728.13nm

I realize that since we look in the direction of the B-field I understand that we'll only be able to see sigma-transmissions (delta M_j = -1 or +1). I've also calculated that g_j will be 1 for 1P and 3/2 for 1S.

But from there I don't really know how to continue.
 
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Can you calculate the change in energy vs. B for each state separately?
 


Redbelly98 said:
Can you calculate the change in energy vs. B for each state separately?

You tell me.
When I look in my formula sheet I find.

"For weak fields, hfs:
E_ZE = g_F * my_B * B * M_F"

I suppose that E_ZE is the energy separation? But I don't see how I can calculate g_F, since it contains the nuclear spin I, which I don't have. And I'm not even sure if that's the right way to go. I'm kind of calculating in the dark here.
 


E_ZE is the shift in energy of a particular level.

Helium has zero nuclear spin, so there is no hfs. There is fine structure however. There should be a similar formula involving g_J and m_J.
 


Redbelly98 said:
E_ZE is the shift in energy of a particular level.

Helium has zero nuclear spin, so there is no hfs. There is fine structure however. There should be a similar formula involving g_J and m_J.

Ok, this starts to make sence. I figured that S only have M_j = 0, which means that the're only 2 transmissions, so I calculated the difference to E_ZE(M_j = 1) - E_ZE(M_j = -1) and got delta f = 8.398GHz, which I've got confirmed is right.

but they ask for the wavelength difference, so there's probably some more work to do. If I didnt know that this gives me the wrong answear I would just go with lambda = c/(delta f). But that doesn't seem right. Why?

they say that they observe the transmission at 728.13nm, what does that really mean? The solution states the following.
lambda = c/f => delta lambda = (-) lambda^2/c * delta f.

First of all I don't understand why they do that delta lambda calculation, and when I try to get to the same conclusion I go like this
delta lambda = c/f_1 - c/f_2 = cf_2/(f_1 * f_2) - cf_1/(f_1*f_2) = c*delta f * 1/(f_1*f_2). And the only way I can connect this to the result they show in the solution is if c^2/(f_1*f_2) = lambda, but why would it? And why does the lambda from the text come in here?

A lot of blanks still remain.
 


Larsson said:
Ok, this starts to make sence. I figured that S only have M_j = 0, which means that the're only 2 transmissions, so I calculated the difference to E_ZE(M_j = 1) - E_ZE(M_j = -1) and got delta f = 8.398GHz, which I've got confirmed is right.

Good, that's reassuring.

but they ask for the wavelength difference, so there's probably some more work to do. If I didnt know that this gives me the wrong answear I would just go with lambda = c/(delta f). But that doesn't seem right. Why?

Because lambda is really c/f, not c/(delta f). That is the basis for this calculation, along with:

<br /> \Delta \lambda = \lambda_1 - \lambda_2 = \frac{c}{f_1} -\frac{c}{f_2}<br />

as you use in your derivation below.

they say that they observe the transmission at 728.13nm, what does that really mean?

The transition (not transmission) between the two states occurs at a wavelength of 728.13nm. Therefore the spectrum of light from the lamp contains this wavelength, and it is observed in the spectrometer.

The solution states the following.
lambda = c/f => delta lambda = (-) lambda^2/c * delta f.

First of all I don't understand why they do that delta lambda calculation, and when I try to get to the same conclusion I go like this
delta lambda = c/f_1 - c/f_2 = cf_2/(f_1 * f_2) - cf_1/(f_1*f_2) = c*delta f * 1/(f_1*f_2).

So far so good ...

And the only way I can connect this to the result they show in the solution is if c^2/(f_1*f_2) = lambda, but why would it? And why does the lambda from the text come in here?

It's actually lambda^2, not lambda. It's an approximation.

Another useful piece of information is that the change in wavelength is a small fraction of the actual wavelength. Likewise, the change in frequency is a small fraction of the actual frequency. You can verify this be comparing your calculated frequency change of 8.398 GHz to the actual frequency of c/728.13nm.
What that does is make f1 and f2 nearly equal to each other and to c/lambda, where lambda is the value given in the problem statement. You can use that to get your expression in terms of lambda:

delta lambda = ... = c*delta f * 1/(f_1*f_2).
 

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