Calculate change in KE and momentum (impulse)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the change in kinetic energy and linear momentum of a tractor that changes direction while traveling at different speeds. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically kinetic energy and momentum in a vector context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to convert velocities and apply formulas for kinetic energy and momentum, while some participants question the vector nature of the problem and the correct application of trigonometric functions to find angles.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the vector components of the velocities and how to correctly apply the arctangent function to determine the angle of the resultant momentum vector. There is a focus on ensuring the correct interpretation of the direction and magnitude of the vectors involved.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the direction of the velocities and the correct quadrant for the resultant vector. Participants are clarifying assumptions about the signs of the components and the implications for the calculations.

jfnn

Homework Statement



I have attached the problem.

A 14,000 kg tractor traveling north at 21 km/h turns west and travels 26 km/h. Calculate the change in the tractor's

a. kinetic energy
b. linear momentum (magnitude AND direction)

Homework Equations


[/B]
delta KE = (1/2)mv^2 - (1/2)mvi^2

change in linear momentum (delta p) = m(vf-vi)

The Attempt at a Solution



I defined east as positive and north as positive.

I first converted the velocities to m/s to get: 5.83 m/s North and -7.22 m/s West.

a) I used: delta KE = (1/2)mv^2 - (1/2)mvi^2

Since kinetic energy is a scalar quantity, I do not have to worry about direction. So... I will just plug in the values all given to find the change in KE.

(1/2)(14000)(-7.22)^2 - (1/2)(14000)(5.83)^2

After computing I get 1.27*10^5 J --> Can anyone verify?

b) This part is where I get lost... The change in linear momentum is the same thing as impulse. Impulse is m(vf-vi) --> I know I cannot just subtract the velocities that are given because they are not in same direction. They have direction and magnitude. I must use vectors to find the vf-vi.

In vector notation, vf-vi is that same things as saying vf+(-vi)

Turns out that the initial velocity only has a y component, which makes its velocity (after computing with the vectors) = 5.83 m/s

The final velocity only has an x component and a 0 y component, which makes its velocity ( after computing with a y and x component) = -7.22 m/s

After getting this far, if I did it right, I assume that now I must do another vector problem with the vector final + (- vector initial)

I draw the final vector in the negative direction (west) and lable it with -7.22, then I flip the direction of the north vector (v initial) making it south to subtract from the v final. I get a vector pointing west, plus a vector pointing south. I draw an arrow from the tail of first to tip of last.

I then have a right angle, do pythagorean theroem to find

86.1173 = resultant^2 ... I take the square root to get 9.27

Is this value vf-vi?

If so, I multiply this by the mass of the truck to get the change in momentum?

So... (9.27) * 14000 kg = 1.30*10 ^5 kg*m/s

To get the direction, I do the arctan of what values? Is it the velocity of final/intial??

Thanks for the help!
 

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jfnn said:
In vector notation, vf-vi is that same things as saying vf+(-vi)
Yes. If you make a skeetch you will also see which ##\arctan## you need for the angle
 
BvU said:
Yes. If you make a skeetch you will also see which ##\arctan## you need for the angle

Okay so I would use the values though for the velocity? Because momentum is in the same direction as the velocity right?

So it will be the arc tan of (initial velocity / the final velocity) (I drew out the triangle and tan is the opposite over adjacent)

The opposite is the velocity initial and the adjacent is the velocity final.

So theta = arctan(5.833/-7.22) ?

Does this seem correct?
 
jfnn said:
Okay so I would use the values though for the velocity? Because momentum is in the same direction as the velocity right?
Yes

Note:
jfnn said:
5.83 m/s North and -7.22 m/s West.
but you meant -7.22 m/s East (but you processed correctly).

jfnn said:
So theta = arctan(5.833/-7.22) ?

Does this seem correct?
No. Can you show the drawing ? In which quadrant does the vector ##\Delta\vec v## end up ?
And: in which quadrants do arctan results end up ?
 
BvU said:
Yes

Note:

but you meant -7.22 m/s East (but you processed correctly).No. Can you show the drawing ? In which quadrant does the vector ##\Delta\vec v## end up ?
And: in which quadrants do arctan results end up ?

Isn't it drawn like this?

The resultant is in quadrant three?
 

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jfnn said:
Isn't it drawn like this?

The resultant is in quadrant three?

Oh wait.. the downwards line has to be negative as well?
So it is arc tan (-5.8333/-7.22)

Is that better now?
 
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jfnn said:
Oh wait.. the downwards line has to be negative as well?
So it is arc tan (-5.8333/-7.22)

Is that better now?

Thus it is 38.9 degrees below negative x axis.
 
jfnn said:
Thus it is 38.9 degrees below negative x axis.
Yes.
 
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