Calculate the characteristics of this compression spring

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The discussion focuses on calculating the force F1 required to overcome a minimum tension T1 of 200 Newtons in a rope supported by two points, A and B, with friction involved. The key variables include the coefficient of friction (u) and the rope diameter (d). Participants suggest using the simple spring equation (N = kx) to relate the spring constant (k) and the compression (x) of the spring to the frictional forces acting on the rope. A free body diagram is recommended to visualize the forces at play.

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Homework Statement



Hello;

I have as shown in the picture, a rope (in green), this rope is located between a support A and a support B. The Support A doesn't move and attached to the ground. The support B apply a force F1 against the rope, this force is made by a helical compression spring.
Because there is a friction between the rope and the two supports A and B, and because the spring push B toward A so we conclude that much the force F1 increase much it is harder to overcome the friction and move the rope.

The question is: How can I calculate the force F1 required to achieve a minimum overcome force T1 of 200 Newtons ? what I mean by this, is what characteristics the spring should have in order to generate a pushing force F1 that require at minimum 200 Newtons applied to the rope in order to move it ?
If the problem is difficult, may someone please give me a link to a similar problem to seek a solution.
1. Coefficient of friction Rope/Support : u
2. Rope diameter : d
3. Weight of support B : Neglected
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Homework Equations


1. Simple spring equation.
2. Friction force between rope and two supports.

The Attempt at a Solution


Neglect the weight of support B, and suppose the contact area between rope and the two supports is A, otherwise I don't know.

Thank You.
 

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So if we neglect the weight of B, then the force exerted on the rope is N = kx, k being the spring constant and x the compression of the spring, Then the friction force opposing the motion of the rope is μ N on both the top and bottom of the rope. That should give you a start on solving your problem.
 
Dr Dr news said:
So if we neglect the weight of B, then
I know you are keen to help, but please try to give less away. E.g. see my response below.
 
Don't worry about the spring for now. Concentrate on the section of rope between the supports.
Draw a free body diagram for that. What are the forces on it?
What equation relates static frictional force to static friction coefficient?
 

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