Calculate the characteristics of this compression spring

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The discussion revolves around calculating the characteristics of a helical compression spring that generates a force to overcome friction in a rope setup. The original poster describes a scenario involving a rope between two supports, where one support applies a force through the spring, and friction plays a significant role in the movement of the rope.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the spring force and the friction force, considering the spring constant and compression. There is an emphasis on understanding the forces acting on the rope and the role of friction in the system.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided initial thoughts on the relationship between the spring force and the friction force, while others suggest focusing on the rope's forces and drawing free body diagrams. The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the weight of support B can be neglected, and there is a coefficient of friction between the rope and the supports that is yet to be defined. The original poster seeks to understand the necessary characteristics of the spring to achieve a specific force requirement.

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Homework Statement



Hello;

I have as shown in the picture, a rope (in green), this rope is located between a support A and a support B. The Support A doesn't move and attached to the ground. The support B apply a force F1 against the rope, this force is made by a helical compression spring.
Because there is a friction between the rope and the two supports A and B, and because the spring push B toward A so we conclude that much the force F1 increase much it is harder to overcome the friction and move the rope.

The question is: How can I calculate the force F1 required to achieve a minimum overcome force T1 of 200 Newtons ? what I mean by this, is what characteristics the spring should have in order to generate a pushing force F1 that require at minimum 200 Newtons applied to the rope in order to move it ?
If the problem is difficult, may someone please give me a link to a similar problem to seek a solution.
1. Coefficient of friction Rope/Support : u
2. Rope diameter : d
3. Weight of support B : Neglected
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Homework Equations


1. Simple spring equation.
2. Friction force between rope and two supports.

The Attempt at a Solution


Neglect the weight of support B, and suppose the contact area between rope and the two supports is A, otherwise I don't know.

Thank You.
 

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So if we neglect the weight of B, then the force exerted on the rope is N = kx, k being the spring constant and x the compression of the spring, Then the friction force opposing the motion of the rope is μ N on both the top and bottom of the rope. That should give you a start on solving your problem.
 
Dr Dr news said:
So if we neglect the weight of B, then
I know you are keen to help, but please try to give less away. E.g. see my response below.
 
Don't worry about the spring for now. Concentrate on the section of rope between the supports.
Draw a free body diagram for that. What are the forces on it?
What equation relates static frictional force to static friction coefficient?
 

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