Calculate the equatorial rotation velocity

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The discussion revolves around calculating the equatorial rotation velocity or rotation period of fictional planets, exploring whether these can be derived from parameters like diameter, circumference, mass, and revolutionary/orbital period without directly using velocity or period. Participants share insights on the relationship between these variables and the conservation of angular momentum in planetary formation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating equatorial rotation velocity or period using diameter, circumference, mass, and revolutionary/orbital period.
  • Another participant suggests that knowing diameter or circumference allows for a geometric relationship between equatorial rotation velocity and rotation period.
  • A participant expresses interest in creating fictional planets and seeks a formula for estimating rotation velocities without using velocity or period, considering mass or radius instead.
  • Discussion includes the concept that planets conserve angular momentum during formation, which influences their rotation speed based on size changes.
  • Some participants note that the rotation velocity is not mass-dependent but rather on the conservation of angular momentum at the time of formation.
  • Examples from the solar system are provided, highlighting that planets with similar masses can have vastly different rotation periods.
  • A participant shares a link to a paper that discusses factors affecting planetary spin, though they express uncertainty about its applicability to rough estimates.
  • Another participant critiques the paper, stating it describes influences on spin but may not be suitable for the estimates discussed, emphasizing classical models and conservation of energy.
  • Links to external resources are shared for further reading on planetary rotation.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the assistance and intends to assign unique values to their fictional planets based on real planetary references.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific method for calculating rotation velocities for fictional planets. Multiple competing views and approaches are presented, with some participants emphasizing the role of angular momentum and others focusing on geometric relationships.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, including the dependence on assumptions about planetary formation and the influence of external factors on rotation. The discussion also highlights the complexity of relating mass, rotation, and other parameters without definitive formulas.

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Hi all,

How would one calculate the equatorial rotation velocity or rotation period without the other?

Is this possible using the values; diameter, circumference, mass and revolutionary/orbital period?

Thank you.
 
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If you know diameter or circumference (those are related via geometry), you can find a relation between equatorial rotation velocity and rotation period. That is simple geometry.
 
Thanks I do realize this. Should have been more elaborate.

I am making fictional planets and wonder if there is a formula for making rough rotation velocities without actually using the velocity or period. Whether this uses the mass or radius to get a rough figure.

Doesn't need to be super realistic, just a guide, as this is all fictional.
 
Stars and planets form in the collapse of huge clouds of interstellar gas and dust. The material in these clouds is in constant motion. As the planet forms it conserves that angular momentum unless otherwise influenced. Much like a skater as the planet shrinks in diameter the planet will spin faster. If the planet somehow increases in diameter the spin will slow down. Other factors such as tidal influences, near misses and collisions affect the rotation.
Beyond that the rotational velocity is described as MFB described.

So essentially you can make up any value you like as its not mass dependent rather its dependent on its conservation of angular momentum at the time the planet was forming.
 
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Mordred said:
So essentially you can make up any value you like as its not mass dependent rather its dependent on its conservation of angular momentum at the time the planet was forming.
Exactly.

Just consider our solar system as example: We have one planet with 1 earth-mass and a day of 1 earth-day (Earth), and another planet with roughly the same mass and a day of ~250 earth-days (Venus).

Small objects too close to the star will have synchronous rotation (so they do not have a day/night cycle at all).
 
Found some good formulas here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.4720.pdf

In particular Eq. (13) and S ∝ Gm2/v

Not sure if they would be exactly what I'm looking for. Can't seem to find the definition of all the symbols though. It also seems there is a relation between the rotation period, mass and radius.
 
Best I can say on that paper is sort of. To explain further this paper is describing other influenced that affect the spin of a planet.
However it attempts to do so using their interpretation of a relation of orbital angular momentum to a combination of electrmagnetism and gravity.
Its an interesting paper I am definitely going to study it further. However for your estimates you describe not really suitable.
In classical Einstein models. As mfb mentioned planets are tidally locked and spin slower. Part of this paper describes this in their model.
The introduction described
Conservation of energy and Keplers laws this is the part that applies mostly to yhose estimates. The rest of the paprr describes other factors that later influence that conservation of energy.
mass is involved mass/momentum describes The amount of energy/force involved in its current spin and how those other influences affects it.
 
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Thanks for helping me out further and finding those interesting articles. I'll take your advice and give each planet it's own value and look at our own planets for reference.

Thanks again.
 

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