Calculating Acceleration of Block on Inclined Plane with Applied Force

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of a block sliding down an inclined plane, considering various forces acting on it, including gravitational force, friction, and an applied force perpendicular to the plane. The problem involves understanding the dynamics of motion on an incline, particularly the role of mass in the equations of motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the acceleration using force equations and questions whether mass should cancel out in the calculations. Participants explore the implications of the applied force being independent of mass.

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Participants are actively discussing the relationship between the normal force, mass, and the applied force. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of the applied force and its impact on the normal force, but there is no explicit consensus on the mass's role in the equations.

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There is a mention of the applied force being constant at 20N, which may not depend on the mass of the block, leading to differing interpretations of how mass affects the normal force and acceleration.

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A block slides down an inclined plane, here are the variables:

theta of incline = 37 degrees
mass of block = 10 kg
coefficient of kinetic friction = .500
applied force on block perpendicular to plane = 20N

[tex]\sum[/tex] x = mgsin(theta) - fk = ma

[tex]\sum[/tex] y = (20N + mgcos(theta)) - n = 0


n = 20N + mgcos(theta) = 98.3N
fk = [tex]\mu[/tex]*n

I need to find acceleration of the block. Here is how I'm currently doing
it and I would like to know if this is correct.

solving for a in the first equation gives
a = mgsin(theta) - [tex]\mu[/tex]k*n / m

What I'm wondering is if the mass in the denominator is supposed to drop out?
 
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hi siderealtime! welcome to pf! :smile:

(have a mu: µ and a theta: θ and a sigma: ∑ and a degree: ° :wink:)

yes, that looks fine :smile:

(and the m won't drop out, because the 20N in this case isn't proportional to m)
 
Your normal force will certainly depend on mass, so it should cancel out.
 
Ugh, which is it, these both seem to make sense. Would anyone care to elaborate on how the division by m would go away or not?
 
hi siderealtime! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)

xerxes is thinking of the usual normal force, which is proportional to m

but this 20N is an applied force, perhaps from something like a jet, whose value does not depend on m

(it would be different if say there was a 20N weight on top of the mass, which would contribute to the RHS of F = ma, but even then of course the weight would be vertical and not normal, so the proportions still wouldn't be preserved)

making m very large, for example, would make the 20N insignificant by comparison, and would considerably alter the acceleration :wink:
 
Thank you very much, Tim.
 

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