Calculating Acceleration on the Surface of Venus

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration due to gravity on the surface of Venus based on its mass and radius relative to Earth. Participants explore the mathematical derivation and implications of these calculations, including the weight of an object on Venus compared to Earth.

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  • Some participants present the mass of Venus as 81.5% of Earth's mass and its radius as 94.9% of Earth's radius, suggesting these values are essential for calculations.
  • Several participants derive the formula for acceleration due to gravity on Venus, using the relationship g' = GM/R², where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of Venus, and R is its radius.
  • One participant calculates the mass of Venus using the Earth's mass and provides the formula for gravitational force, indicating the gravitational force equals the weight of a body.
  • Another participant suggests a shortcut for calculating g' by relating it to g (the acceleration due to gravity on Earth) and provides a formula that incorporates the ratios of mass and radius.
  • Some participants note missing division operators in earlier calculations but do not resolve the discrepancies in the calculations presented.
  • A participant references an external source for additional information related to the problem, suggesting it may provide further insights.

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There is no consensus on the final calculations or methods, as participants present various approaches and corrections without settling on a single solution.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the completeness of their calculations, particularly in relation to the use of division operators and the application of gravitational formulas.

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Friends, hello everyone!
Please help with this calculation.

The mass of Venus is 81.5% that of the earth, and its radius is 94.9% that of the earth.
(a) Compute the acceleration due to gravity on the surface of Venus from these data.
(b) If a rock weighs 75.0 N on earth, what would it weigh at the surface of Venuse?
 
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SantiagoHill said:
Friends, hello everyone!
Please help with this calculation.

The mass of Venus is 81.5% that of the earth, and its radius is 94.9% that of the earth.
(a) Compute the acceleration due to gravity on the surface of Venus from these data.
(b) If a rock weighs 75.0 N on earth, what would it weigh at the surface of Venuse?
a) You probably already have a formula for g' (the acceleration due to gravity) but here is the derivation anyway:
[math]F = \dfrac{GMm}{R^2} = m g'[/math]

[math]g' = \dfrac{GM}{R^2}[/math]

So if the mass of Venus is [math]M = 0.815 M_E[/math] and [math]R = 0.949 R_E[/math] then what is g'?

b) On Earth w = mg. So find m. On Venus w' = mg'...

-Dan
 
a) The mass of Venus MV represent 81.5% of the of the Earth. So, the mass of Venus is
MV=(81.5%)ME
(1)
Where ME is the mass of the Earth. Plug the mass of Earth into equation (1), so we can get MV by
MV=(0.815)ME=(0.815)(5.97×1024kg)=4.86×1024kg
The radius of Venus represent 94.9% of the radius of the Earth. So, the radius of Venus is
RV=(94.9%)RE
(2)
Where RE is the radius of the Earth. Plug the radius of Earth into equation (2), so we can get RV by
RV=(0.949)(6.38×106m)=6.05×106m
The weight w of a body is the total gravitational force exerted on it by all other bodies in the univerce where this gravitational force F is given by Newton`s general law of gravity by
F=GMVmRV2
(3)
Where RV is the radius of Venus, m is the mass of the body. As we mentioned above, this gravitational force equals the weight of the body which is mg, so using equation (3) we get the acceleration on Venus by
mg=GMVmRV2
gv=GMVRV2
(4)
Now, we plug values for RV, MV and G into equation (4) to get gv
gv=GMVRV2
=(6.67×10−11N⋅m2÷kg2)(4.86×1024kg)(6.05×106m)2
 
WestleyColeman said:
a) The mass of Venus MV represent 81.5% of the of the Earth. So, the mass of Venus is
MV=(81.5%)ME
(1)
Where ME is the mass of the Earth. Plug the mass of Earth into equation (1), so we can get MV by
MV=(0.815)ME=(0.815)(5.97×1024kg)=4.86×1024kg
The radius of Venus represent 94.9% of the radius of the Earth. So, the radius of Venus is
RV=(94.9%)RE
(2)
Where RE is the radius of the Earth. Plug the radius of Earth into equation (2), so we can get RV by
RV=(0.949)(6.38×106m)=6.05×106m
The weight w of a body is the total gravitational force exerted on it by all other bodies in the univerce where this gravitational force F is given by Newton`s general law of gravity by
F=GMVmRV2
(3)
Where RV is the radius of Venus, m is the mass of the body. As we mentioned above, this gravitational force equals the weight of the body which is mg, so using equation (3) we get the acceleration on Venus by
mg=GMVmRV2
gv=GMVRV2
(4)
Now, we plug values for RV, MV and G into equation (4) to get gv
gv=GMVRV2
=(6.67×10−11N⋅m2÷kg2)(4.86×1024kg)(6.05×106m)2
You are missing some division operators but otherwise correct.

Here's a bit of a shortcut.

Define [math]g' = \dfrac{GM_V}{R_V^2}[/math] and [math]g = \dfrac{GM_E}{R_E^2}[/math]. We know that [math]M_V = 0.815 M_E[/math] and [math]R_V = 0.949 R_E[/math]. Then
[math]g' = \dfrac{GM_V}{R_V^2} = \dfrac{G (0.815 M_E)}{(0.949 R_E)^2} = \dfrac{0.815}{0.949^2} \dfrac{G M_E}{R_E^2} = \dfrac{0.815}{0.949^2} \cdot g[/math]
and now you can use g = 9.81 m/s^2.

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
You are missing some division operators but otherwise correct.

Here's a bit of a shortcut.

Define [math]g' = \dfrac{GM_V}{R_V^2}[/math] and [math]g = \dfrac{GM_E}{R_E^2}[/math]. We know that [math]M_V = 0.815 M_E[/math] and [math]R_V = 0.949 R_E[/math]. Then
[math]g' = \dfrac{GM_V}{R_V^2} = \dfrac{G (0.815 M_E)}{(0.949 R_E)^2} = \dfrac{0.815}{0.949^2} \dfrac{G M_E}{R_E^2} = \dfrac{0.815}{0.949^2} \cdot g[/math]
and now you can use g = 9.81 m/s^2.

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Thanks for the advice.
 

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