Calculating Acidic Strength of Concentrated Nitric Acid

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The discussion revolves around the acidic strength of concentrated nitric acid, exploring concepts such as hydration energy, the stability of anions formed by acids, and methods for calculating acidic strength in different contexts, including aqueous and non-aqueous systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the relationship between hydration energy and acidic strength, asking whether it is directly or indirectly proportional.
  • One participant clarifies that acidic strength is proportional to the amount of hydronium ion formed and discusses the definition of acidic strength in terms of activity.
  • There is a suggestion that in non-aqueous systems, the nature of the anion and the stabilization of the proton influence acid strength.
  • Another participant inquires specifically about calculating the acidic strength of concentrated nitric acid.
  • One response indicates that the strength of nitric acid can be expressed as a function of concentration, mentioning molarity and activity coefficients.
  • It is noted that concentrated nitric acid is typically sold as a 70% solution in water, with higher concentrations available.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between hydration energy and acidic strength, and there is no consensus on how to calculate the acidic strength of concentrated nitric acid, as multiple methods are suggested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of acidic strength and hydration energy, as well as the conditions under which these concepts apply, particularly in different solvent systems.

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acidic strength is directly proportional or indirectly proportional to hydration energy ??

and

how to find that anion formed by aicd is stable or not??

Thanks!
 
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What do you mean by "hydration energy"?

Acidic strength is proportional to the amount of hydronium ion formed by a given amount of the acid. It is also defined as the activity (rather than the amount) of the hydrogen ion. All acids that form in an aqueous system can only produce an acid of the same strength as hydronium ion. In non-aqueous systems, the nature of the anion and the nature of the stabilization of the proton in solution determine the strength of the acid. Search "Olah, acids, superacids" for more detail.

The stability of the anion formed by the acid is usually determined by the acidity itself! The more acidic... the more stable. The more completely dissociated... the more stable.
 
So how about concentrated nitric acid? How do we calculate its acidic strength?
 
pixel01 said:
So how about concentrated nitric acid? How do we calculate its acidic strength?

Strength as a function of concentration is done in the usual way... molarity of nitric acid. Strength expressed as an activity (appropriate for pH) is molality multiplied by the activity coefficient.

Most concentrated nitric acid is sold as 70% solution in water although concentrations of greater than 90% can be obtained as well.
 

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