Calculating Air Intake Pressure: A Beginner's Guide

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The discussion centers around calculating the pressure difference in a car's air intake system, specifically using a venturi orifice. Participants explore the necessary parameters and equations for determining this pressure difference, including considerations for compressible flow and the discharge coefficient.

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  • One participant shares their findings on the car's intake flow rate and velocity calculations, seeking guidance on calculating pressure difference.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the venturi's discharge coefficient, noting it varies with geometry and Reynolds number.
  • A third participant suggests a standard discharge coefficient of 0.975, while acknowledging its dependence on Reynolds number.
  • Another contribution mentions the need for a gas expansion factor due to compressible flow, but also states that if the pressure difference is less than 10%, incompressible flow can be used as an approximation.
  • A participant seeks confirmation on the correctness of their units for various parameters in the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the discharge coefficient and the applicability of compressible versus incompressible flow, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the best approach for calculating pressure difference.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific conditions under which the calculations apply, including the impact of Reynolds number on the discharge coefficient and the threshold for using incompressible flow approximations.

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This discussion may be useful for automotive enthusiasts, engineering students, or anyone interested in fluid dynamics as it relates to air intake systems.

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The other day I was using my OBD-2 scanner and found out that my car's intake has a peek flow of 25 lbs/min. I converted this to ~317 cubic feet (at 5.5 deg C)

I then calculated the velocity in the 3.5" diameter intake to be ~36 feet/sec.
The intake has a 2" venturi orifice (sound muffler) and calculated the flow at this point to be ~64 feet/sec.

Here is where I am stuck. How do I calculate the pressure difference?

Thank you in advance!
 
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To accurately calculate the expected delta P you need to have the venturi's discharge coefficient. The coefficient is a function of the geometry and is calculated during tests. Venturis usually have pretty high Cv values when compared to an orifice (usually close to 1) but they do vary with Reynolds number.

The standard calculation for flow through a venturi device is

[tex]Q = C_v A_t \sqrt{\frac{2 \Delta P}{\rho(1-\beta^4)}}[/tex]

Where:
[tex]Q[/tex] = Volumetric flow rate
[tex]C_v[/tex] = Discharge coefficient
[tex]A_t[/tex] = Throat area
[tex]\Delta P[/tex] = Pressure difference
[tex]\rho[/tex] = Flowing density
[tex]\beta[/tex] = Diameter ratio
 
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I think the standard Cv is taken as 0.975 but varies with the Reynolds number.
 
Just to add my 2 cents...since this is compressible flow, you'll probably need to include a gas expansion factor in Fred's equation. Although, if the delta P is less than 10% (if memeory serves me correctly), Crane TP410 say's that you can use incompressible flow as an approximation. So you'll probably be ok with the first equation.
 
FredGarvin said:
The standard calculation for flow through a venturi device is

[tex]Q = C_v A_t \sqrt{\frac{2 \Delta P}{\rho(1-\beta^4)}}[/tex]

Where:
[tex]Q[/tex] = Volumetric flow rate
[tex]C_v[/tex] = Discharge coefficient
[tex]A_t[/tex] = Throat area
[tex]\Delta P[/tex] = Pressure difference
[tex]\rho[/tex] = Flowing density
[tex]\beta[/tex] = Diameter ratio

Wow! Thanks for the quick replies.

Are my units correct:
[tex]Q[/tex] = Volumetric flow rate in CFM
[tex]C_v[/tex] = Discharge coefficient
[tex]A_t[/tex] = Throat area in inches squared
[tex]\Delta P[/tex] = Pressure difference in inches of water??
[tex]\rho[/tex] = Flowing density in pounds/min
[tex]\beta[/tex] = Diameter ratio 3.5:2
 

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