Calculating angle between velocity and position vector

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angle between the velocity vector and the position vector of a particle, focusing on the conditions under which the velocity is zero and its implications for the angle calculation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the condition where the derivative of the position vector is zero, questioning its relation to the particle's maximum distance from the origin. Various attempts to calculate the angle using the cosine formula are discussed, with some participants expressing confusion over the resulting indeterminate form.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the velocity and position vectors, while others have raised questions about the correctness of assumptions made regarding the physical quantities involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these assumptions on the angle calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the distinction between different derivatives representing physical quantities, highlighting the potential for misunderstanding in their application. The discussion reflects a careful consideration of the mathematical relationships involved, but lacks a definitive resolution on the correctness of the final angle calculation.

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I took ## \frac { d\vec r}{dt} = 0 ## . This gives ##t_m = \frac { 1} {\sqrt{ 2}} ## ...(1)

To calculate ## \alpha ## ,

## \cos{ \alpha } = \frac { \vec v \cdot \vec r}{|\vec v||\vec r|} ## ...(2)

Then, magnitude of ##\vec v ## is 0 at t = ## t_m##.

So, R.H.S. of (2) becomes ## \frac { 0}0 ## . So, ##\alpha## could be anything between ## - \pi ## to ## \pi ## .Another approach was to put ## \cos{ \alpha } = \frac { \vec v \cdot \vec r}{|\vec v||\vec r|} ## as a function of t and then to reduce it and then solve it at ## t= t_m##. But, this led me into difficult calculation yielding again ## \frac { 0}0 ##. I don’t know why this approach should give a different answer, I just thought of it as some times, while solving for limit ,some factor gets canceled leading answer to non ## \frac { 0}0 ## form.
 

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Pushoam said:
I took ## \frac { d\vec r}{dt} = 0 ## .
Does this condition correspond to the particle being at its maximum distance from the origin?
 
TSny said:
Does this condition correspond to the particle being at its maximum distance from the origin?
Sorry, What I did was: ##\frac{ds}{dt} = 0## where s is the magnitude of displacement.
 
Pushoam said:
Sorry, What I did was: ##\frac{ds}{dt} = 0## where s is the magnitude of displacement.
OK
Pushoam said:
Then, magnitude of ##\vec v ## is 0 at t = ## t_m##.
How did you arrive at this statement?
 
TSny said:
OK
How did you arrive at this statement?
Sorry,
I calculated ## \frac { ds} {dt} = 0 ## .

Then, I got the thought that, for the distance between the origin and the system should be 0, ## \frac { d\vec r}{dt} = 0 ##, which is wrong.

I did not remain careful about the fact that ## \frac { ds} {dt} ## and ## \frac { d\vec r}{dt} ## represent two different physical quantities, that they mean different. This carelessness was the mistake.

Identified with the above thought, I took it for granted that ## |\vec v|= 0 ## at t = ## t_m ## .

## |\vec v| = \sqrt{ t^2 – t + \frac 1 {4 t}} e^{-t} ##

So, at t = ## t_m ## , ## \vec v \neq \vec 0, |\vec v|\neq 0 ##

## \vec v \cdot \vec r = 0 ##

So, at ## t = t_m , \alpha = \frac { \pi}2 ##

So, the answer is option (d).

Is this correct?So, at t = ## t_m ## , ## \vec v \neq \vec 0, |\vec v|\neq 0 ##

## \vec v \cdot \vec r = 0 ##

So, at ## t = t_m , \alpha = \frac { \pi}2 ##

So, the answer is option (d).

Is this correct?
 
Looks good.
 
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