Calculating Angular vs Lateral Acceleration of Objects Suspended in Zero Gravity

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The discussion revolves around the effects of force application on a metal cube suspended in a zero gravity environment, specifically focusing on how forces contribute to angular and lateral acceleration. Participants explore the mechanics of force vectors, their components, and the implications of applying forces at different points on the object.

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  • One participant suggests that when a force is applied directly towards the center of mass, the cube will accelerate without angular acceleration, while applying the same force off-center will introduce angular acceleration.
  • Another participant proposes that splitting the force into components does not straightforwardly answer the question of how much force contributes to angular acceleration, noting that a force can be applied without a component towards the center of mass.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the equivalent system can be represented by a force at the center of mass and a moment about the center of mass, which together produce linear and angular acceleration.
  • Some participants argue that applying the same force over the same time results in the same linear velocity, regardless of the point of application, challenging the initial assumptions about the relationship between force application and motion.
  • Another participant explains that applying force off-center increases the distance over which the force acts, leading to greater work done and thus more rotational kinetic energy, which complicates the relationship between translational and rotational motion.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between force application and the resulting motion of the cube, particularly regarding the effects of off-center force application on linear and angular acceleration. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the mechanics involved.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the problem, including the need to consider the distribution of mass, the effects of friction, and the definitions of force components. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the nature of force application and its effects on motion.

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Imagine you had a metal cube suspended in a zero gravity vacuum. If you were to poke the cube precisely in the middle of one of its faces exactly towards its center of mass, the cube would accelerate forward directly away from you with no angular acceleration.

If you were to move your hand towards the edge of the face and poke in the SAME forward direction, now the cube would gain some amount of spin and would therefore not move away from you as fast.

My question is: given a force applied to an object suspended in zero gravity, what portion of that force will be applied to the object's angular acceleration and what proportion to its lateral acceleration?

I'm most interested in two-dimensional examples, so you can imagine the same experiment performed on a square with evenly distributed mass on a 2D plane, where all the force vectors being applied to the square are in that plane. With that, any force vector can be divided into two component vectors: the vector pointing directly towards (or away from) the object's center of mass from the point of contact and the vector perpendicular to it. Obviously the component vector pointing directly towards (or away from) the object's center of mass won't ever contribute to angular acceleration, so my question then becomes what percentage of a vector perpendicular to the vector between the point of contact and the object's center of mass will be applied to its angular acceleration?

I expect the answer is as simple as "100% will be applied to angular acceleration" but I haven't convinced myself of that yet. And if it is that simple, I imagine adding friction makes things more interesting, so given coefficients of kinetic friction for angular and lateral movement, is it possible to calculate the portion of force perpendicular to the center of mass of the object that gets applied to angular acceleration versus lateral acceleration?

Oh and a WONDERFUL THANKS to anyone able to help me with this. I've been mulling this over for a while and just need good convincin' more than anything else!
 
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xpoisnp said:
With that, any force vector can be divided into two component vectors: the vector pointing directly towards (or away from) the object's center of mass from the point of contact and the vector perpendicular to it. Obviously the component vector pointing directly towards (or away from) the object's center of mass won't ever contribute to angular acceleration, so my question then becomes what percentage of a vector perpendicular to the vector between the point of contact and the object's center of mass will be applied to its angular acceleration?

Splitting the force into components like that was a good idea, but it doesn't answer your question easily. For example, you could apply a force that has no component towards the center of mass, so "splitting the force" wouldn't lead anywhere.

The way to solve this is replace the applied force by the equivalent system of a force (in the same direction) at the center of mass, plus a moment about the center of mass. In 2D, the moment = (magnitude of the force) times (perpendicular distance to the center of mass). In 3D, the idea is the same but it's probably easier to use vectors - see https://engineering.purdue.edu/~aprakas/CE297/CE297-Ch3.pdf for example

The force at the CM then produces linear acceleration, and the moment at the CM produces angular acceleration.
 
xpoisnp said:
Imagine you had a metal cube suspended in a zero gravity vacuum. If you were to poke the cube precisely in the middle of one of its faces exactly towards its center of mass, the cube would accelerate forward directly away from you with no angular acceleration.

If you were to move your hand towards the edge of the face and poke in the SAME forward direction, now the cube would gain some amount of spin and would therefore not move away from you as fast.
No. If you apply the same force over the same time, the linear veloctiy will be the same.
 
xpoisnp said:
If you were to move your hand towards the edge of the face and poke in the SAME forward direction, now the cube would gain some amount of spin and would therefore not move away from you as fast.

That is wrong (as the previous replies have said) but it may seem paradoxical that it's wrong, because somehow "the same force" is providing "the same linear acceleration" plus some angular acceleration as well. The translational kinetic energy is always the same, but there is also some rotational kinetic energy, depending where the force is applied.

The explanation is: if the force is applied off-center, the point where it is applied moves further in a given amount of time (because the object rotates as well as translates), so the work done by the force (= force times distance) is greater. That is where the "extra" rotational kinetic energy comes from.

If you push by moving your hand at the same speed but at different positions, you will apply less force if you push "off-center", and so the translational velocity will be less.
 

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