Calculating Area on Sphere: Unit Sphere & Rings

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The discussion focuses on calculating the area of a ring on a sphere, specifically the unit sphere, using spherical coordinates. Participants explore methods for defining and integrating over the area of a ring, as well as considerations for more general cases where boundaries may be complex.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using spherical coordinates with an element of area defined as \(\sin(\theta) d\theta d\phi\) and questions how to define a ring, proposing the need for a function \(\theta(\phi)\) for integration.
  • Another participant proposes constructing a new coordinate system with the z-axis through the center of the sphere, stating that a circle of radius \(r\) can be described by \(\phi = \frac{2\pi r}{R}\) and provides an integral for calculating the area of that circle.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous example but seeks a more general procedure for area calculation on the sphere.
  • Some participants propose that numerical approximation may be a feasible method for calculating areas with complex boundaries.
  • There is agreement on the need for a theoretical basis to support the use of numerical approximations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of ideas regarding the calculation of area on a sphere, with some advocating for numerical methods while others seek a theoretical framework. No consensus is reached on a definitive method for general cases.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining boundaries for area calculations on a sphere and the potential need for numerical methods, but does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions involved.

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How to calculate some general area on a sphere for simplicity the unit sphere. Let's say I have a ball and I draw a ring on it. What is its area? I guess I need some initial point (some coordinate). Let's take a spherical coordinates with r=1. Element of area is \sin(\theta) d \theta d \phi. But how to define (describe) a ring? I guess I need some function \theta(\phi) and than integrate over ...what, all or some separate region of \phi? Or what would you suggest?

Thank you for your advice and help.
 
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You can always construct a new coordinate system with the z-axis passing through the center of the sphere and the center of the circle on the surface of the sphere. Given that the sphere has radius R, a "circle" of radius r with center on the z-axis is given by \phi= \frac{2\pi r}{R}. The area of that circle is
\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_0^{\frac{2\pi r}{R}} sin(\theta)d\phi d\theta.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You can always construct a new coordinate system with the z-axis passing through the center of the sphere and the center of the circle on the surface of the sphere. Given that the sphere has radius R, a "circle" of radius r with center on the z-axis is given by \phi= \frac{2\pi r}{R}. The area of that circle is
\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_0^{\frac{2\pi r}{R}} sin(\theta)d\phi d\theta.
Thank you for your post, I understand , but it was just example, the ring on the ball. I would like to have some procedure for general case of area.
 
For the general case, because the boundary of the area may be strange, I thing numerical approximation is a feasible that can be considered.
 
tommyxu3 said:
For the general case, because the boundary of the area may be strange, I thing numerical approximation is a feasible that can be considered.
I agree with numerical aprox., but I have to know some theoretical base.
 

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