Calculating Capacitance of a Parallel Plate Capacitor Using Integration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the capacitance of a parallel plate capacitor using integration, specifically focusing on a setup involving dielectrics and varying geometries. Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships and physical principles involved in the problem.

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  • Participants discuss dividing the capacitor into slices to analyze the contributions to capacitance from different sections. Questions arise regarding the geometry involved and how to express the capacitance of each slice in terms of the dielectric constants and distances. There is also exploration of how to integrate the resulting expressions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to approach the integration and the relationships between the variables. Some participants are clarifying their understanding of the geometry and the series/parallel relationships of the capacitors involved.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations



For a parallel plate capacitor, Capacitance C=KεoA/d

A is area of plate and d is distance between the two plates..

The Attempt at a Solution



I do not know how to approach. I divided the capacitor along the diagonal into two halves. For the first half,

dC1 = K1εodA/dl

I took a strip of edge dx and length "l" perpendicular to the capacitor. Area of that strip= (x+dx)2-x2=2xdx..

dA=2xdx

Hence,
dC1 = 2K1εoxdx/dl

Now taking an angle θ, tanθ=d/a= (d-l)/(a-x)...

Am I going in the right direction ?

Please help !

Thanks in advance...
:smile:
 
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I can't clearly picture how you're dividing up the device. In my mind's eye I can see taking vertical slices of width dx across the image. At some horizontal position x, a slice will effectively consist of two capacitors in series, one with dielectric K1, the other with dielectric K2. "Plate" area is given by a*dx, and "plate" separation for each capacitor can be determined with a bit of geometry.
 
gneill said:
I can't clearly picture how you're dividing up the device. In my mind's eye I can see taking vertical slices of width dx across the image. At some horizontal position x, a slice will effectively consist of two capacitors in series, one with dielectric K1, the other with dielectric K2. "Plate" area is given by a*dx, and "plate" separation for each capacitor can be determined with a bit of geometry.

Ok, So I have a differential form,

dC2=K2εoadx/distance, as per the hint you gave. I also understand that the two capacitors are in series. So what should I replace K with ?

And about geometry... I took angle θ between diagonal and an edge. Then,

tanθ = d/a = y/x = (d-y)/(a-x)

where, the capacitor with dielectric constant K2 is positioned at distance x and its distance from the one edge(horizontal) to the boundary of second capacitor.

Am I on the right track ? Thanks..
 
sankalpmittal said:
Ok, So I have a differential form,

dC2=K2εoadx/distance, as per the hint you gave. I also understand that the two capacitors are in series. So what should I replace K with ?
You don't replace K, rather you need to find expressions for the two capacitors in terms of their individual K's and geometry, then combine them in series to yield a net capacitance for that "slice". The slices are all in parallel...
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And about geometry... I took angle θ between diagonal and an edge. Then,

tanθ = d/a = y/x = (d-y)/(a-x)

where, the capacitor with dielectric constant K2 is positioned at distance x and its distance from the one edge(horizontal) to the boundary of second capacitor.

Am I on the right track ? Thanks..

I believe so... can you write expressions for the two capacitances of a slice?
 

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gneill said:
I believe so... can you write expressions for the two capacitances of a slice?

gneill,

As per the image you gave,

dC1 = K1εoadx/d1

dC2= K2εoadx/d2

Correct ?

Now dC=dC1*dC2/(dC2+dC1) ?
 
sankalpmittal said:
gneill,

As per the image you gave,

dC1 = K1εoadx/d1

dC2= K2εoadx/d2

Correct ?

Now dC=dC1*dC2/(dC2+dC1) ?

Right. You'll want to express d1 and d2 in terms of some common variable over which you can integrate.
 
gneill said:
Right. You'll want to express d1 and d2 in terms of some common variable over which you can integrate.

Ok, so replacing d2=d-d1,

dC1 = K1εoadx/d1

dC2= K2εoadx/(d-d1)

Now, dC=dC1*dC2/(dC2+dC1)
dC=K1K2εoadx/{K1(d-d1)+K2d1}

Now to what limit shall I integrate this expression over ? Looks like I will have to eliminate d1.

By geometry, I got,

d(a-x)/a = d1

Correct ?

P.S. d is distance between plates as given. dC is small capacitance. dx is small distance between slices as per your image. (Thanks.)
 
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sankalpmittal said:
Now to what limit shall I integrate this expression over ? Looks like I will have to eliminate d1.

By geometry, I got,

d(a-x)/a = d1

Correct ?
Sure. So you're integrating w.r.t. x. You should be able to see from the diagram the limits for x.
 
gneill said:
Sure. So you're integrating w.r.t. x. You should be able to see from the diagram the limits for x.

Thanks a lot gneill ! :smile:

I integrated the expression in limits of x from zero to "a" and got the correct answer ! Thanks once again.
 

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