Find the charge on the plates of a parallel-plate capacitor w/ dielectric

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The discussion revolves around calculating the charge on the plates of a parallel-plate capacitor that includes a dielectric material. Participants are exploring the relationships between capacitance, voltage, and charge in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of capacitance using the formula C = ε0 * (a/d) and the effect of the dielectric constant on this value. There are attempts to clarify the correct application of the dielectric constant in the equations for charge and voltage.

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Some participants have provided guidance on avoiding double correction for the dielectric constant in calculations. Others have shared their own calculations and results, indicating a progression towards understanding the problem, though no explicit consensus has been reached.

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There is mention of potential rounding issues and the constraints of the online homework platform, which may affect the answers provided. Participants are also reflecting on their initial misunderstandings regarding the application of the dielectric constant.

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Homework Statement
The area of each plate of a parallel plate capacitor is 0.024 m2. The plates are 2.75 mm apart with a dielectric material (κ = 3.0) between them. The maximum possible electric field between the plates is 3.25e5 V/m.

(a) What is the charge on the plates?
Relevant Equations
C(dielectric) = Q/V(dielectric) , where V(dielectric) = 1/κ * V(original)

C(dielectric) = κ * C(original)

C = ε0 * (a/d) for parallel plate capacitor
This is an online HW question so maybe my digits are just off from rounding or something, but I don't know why I am not finding the correct answer. I got Q = 6.9e-8 as the magnitude of charge on each plate.

I basically just needed to calculate the original capacitance of this capacitor using c = ε0*(a/d) , then multiply this by the dielectric constant ( κ = 3.0) since the capacitance of a capacitor with a dielectric is just the original capacitance without the dielectric, multiplied by the dielectric constant (so capacitance can be increased by a factor of (κ) when a dielectric is inserted between its plates).

Area = .024 m^2
Distance between plates = 2.75mm

C(dielectric) = ε0 (.024/2.75) *3 = 2.31e-13

Now I need to find the voltage using V(dielectric) = (1/κ ) * V(original). We have a parallel plate capacitor which means our E field is uniform, therefore:

E = 3.25e5

V = E*D = 3.25e5 (2.75) = 893750

so, V(dielectric) = 893750(1/3) = 297916.6667

finally, we can use Q = C(dielectric) * V(dielectric) to get:

Q = 2.31e-13 (297916.6667) = 6.9e-8

I have no clue where I'm going wrong. I tried entering 7.0e-8 and 6.8e-8 incase it was a rounding issue and those were both incorrect as well. So either I'm just not working this problem correctly, or Webassign just sucks.
 
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mhrob24 said:
Homework Statement: The area of each plate of a parallel plate capacitor is 0.024 m2. The plates are 2.75 mm apart with a dielectric material (κ = 3.0) between them. The maximum possible electric field between the plates is 3.25e5 V/m.

(a) What is the charge on the plates?
Homework Equations: C(dielectric) = Q/V(dielectric) , where V(dielectric) = 1/κ * V(original)

C(dielectric) = κ * C(original)

C = ε0 * (a/d) for parallel plate capacitor
It looks like you are double-correcting for the dielectric constant. Just include it in the Q=CV equation, and don't adjust your voltage for it.

Get the voltage from the maximum electric field and the plate separation, and the capacitance from the C = ε0 * εr (a/d) equation.

Can you try that and show that work? :smile:
 
Yes, I think I see what you mean. I did get the correct answer (2.1e-7), but I want to make sure I know why I got the wrong answer at first

So excluding the fact that we have a dielectric :

C = ε0 * (a/d) = 7.72e-14

V = E*D = 893750 J/C

Now solve for Q, where Q = C*V, but enter the dielectric constant just once for either the voltage or the capacitance. I initially computed the voltage AND the capacitance with the dielectric constant which is wrong because I can also write C(dielectric) = (Q*κ)/V(original). That's how you derive the equation C(dielectric) = C(original) * κ. So I was factoring it in twice. So, :

Q = (C*κ) * V(original) = 2.1e-7

Thank you!
 
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mhrob24 said:
Q = (C*κ) * V(original) = 2.1e-7
I didn't follow what you did, but I got the same answer as you (just with a couple more sig figs). :smile:
 

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