Calculating Change in Charge Density for a Parallel-Plate Capacitor

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in charge density for a parallel-plate capacitor, using the context of nerve impulses and electric fields. Participants are exploring the relationships between electric fields, charge, capacitance, and voltage in this scenario.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between charge, capacitance, and electric fields, referencing the equation Q=CV. There are attempts to understand how to apply this to the problem, including questions about the relevance of electric fields and potential differences.

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Some participants have offered insights into the equations and relationships involved, while others express confusion about the concepts and how to apply them. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding the separation of plates and the nature of the electric fields involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, with some expressing urgency due to an upcoming exam. There are indications of varying levels of understanding regarding the fundamental concepts of capacitors and electric fields.

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When a nerve impulse propagates changes from 7.0 x 10^5 N/C in one direction to 3.0 x 10^5 N/C in the other direction. Approximating the cell membrane as a parallel-plate capacitor, find the magnitude of the change in charge density on the walls on the cell membrane.

I understand the basic idea of a parallel-plate capacitor but I haven't been able to figure out how to set it up or where to go. A hint where to start would be nice, thanks.
 
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You have Q=CV for a capacitor. Now, how do you find E for a parallel plate capacitor given V and d, the separation of plates?

You have to assume that the distance between the plates stay the same when the E-field changes.
 
I'm not sure what the equation Q=CV stands for or how it relates to the Newton / coulomb charge values I'm given.
 
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Q=CV tells you the relationship between the charge, the capacitance and the voltage difference between the two plates. Since you are told to model it as a parallel plate capacitor, you can safely assume that the capacitance remains constant throughout.

Suppose you have an electric field E in one dimension. How is this related to the potential difference between any two points and the distance between them? This is what you need in order to make use of Q=CV, since E doesn't appear anywhere in Q=CV.

Let Q1 be the old charge on the plates, Q2 be the new charge:
Q1 = CV1
Q2 = CV2
Change in Q = C(V1-V2).

Now one more formula you'll need: The formula for the capacitance of a parallel plate capacitor (assume you're dealing infinite planes of charges here). Use Gauss law to get it.

Once you have this, plug them into the equation above and you're done.
 
This doesn't seem right for how you do the problem. Is all you do is add the two electric fields together to get the magnitude of change and then multiply it by e_0?
 
You can't add the two fields together. They aren't electric fields due to separate sources, they're from the same capacitor. Although the result is mathematically the same, the conceptual understanding underlying your working is mistaken. Anyway I made a mistake, since d (the separation of the plates) cancels out in the equation, you do not have to assume that d remains constant.
 
Sorry for the long delay on the reply. I forgot about it and my exam is tomorrow. So I want to figure this out.

So V=Ed and C=e_oA/d so then Q=Ee_oA and A=\Phi/E ? Am I on the right track at all?
 
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So V=Ed and C=e_oA/d so then Q=Ee_oA and A=\Phi/E ? Am I on the right track at all?
What is \Phi here? It's not V is it?
 

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