Calculating Charge, Current, and Energy in a Simple RC Circuit

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The discussion revolves around calculating various parameters in a simple RC circuit, including charge, current, and energy storage over time. The circuit consists of a capacitor, resistor, and a voltage source, with specific values provided for each component.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculations for charge, current, and energy in the circuit. Some express uncertainty about how to calculate the rate of energy storage and energy supplied by the battery. Others question the correctness of initial calculations and suggest considering the time-dependent nature of charging in an RC circuit.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various equations and attempting to clarify concepts. Some have suggested using exponential functions to describe the charging process, while others are questioning the definitions and relationships between power, energy, and charge. There is a recognition that further exploration is needed for parts (c) and (d).

Contextual Notes

Participants are reminded of the time constant associated with the RC circuit, and there is an emphasis on the need to express energy in terms of charge during the charging process. Some calculations have been identified as incorrect, prompting further investigation into the correct approach.

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The values of components in a simple RC circuit in series with a key are: C = 1x10^{-6}F, R=2x10^{6} Ohm and epsilon = 10 V. 10s at the moment after the key is closed, calculate:

a) the charge in capacitor
b) the current in the resistor
c) the rate at which energy is stored in capacitor
d) the rate at which energy is supplied by the battery


My solution:

a) Qmax = C * epsilon = 1x10^5 c

b) I = - dQ/dt
Rule of Kirchhoff
I*R = Q/C
I = Q / R*C = 5x10^{-6} A

c) How to calculate?
d) How to calculate?
 
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Apprentice123 said:
The values of components in a simple RC circuit in series with a key are: C = 1x10^{-6}F, R=2x10^{6} Ohm and epsilon = 10 V. 10s at the moment after the key is closed, calculate:

a) the charge in capacitor
b) the current in the resistor
c) the rate at which energy is stored in capacitor
d) the rate at which energy is supplied by the battery


My solution:

a) Qmax = C * epsilon = 1x10^5 c

b) I = - dQ/dt
Rule of Kirchhoff
I*R = Q/C
I = Q / R*C = 5x10^{-6} A

c) How to calculate?
d) How to calculate?

Maybe consider:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/filter.html#c2
 
Apprentice123 said:
thanks, but I could not resolve the (c) and (d)

Well, what is the "rate of energy build up"?
 
Apprentice123 said:
thanks, but I could not resolve the (c) and (d)

Nevermind (c) and (d), your answers for (a) and (b) are not correct yet.

LP is reminding you that there is a time constant associated with the RC circuit, and that the charging is exponential with time. You need to write the equation for the capacitor voltage as a function of time, and use that equation to solve for a-d.
 
berkeman said:
Nevermind (c) and (d), your answers for (a) and (b) are not correct yet.

LP is reminding you that there is a time constant associated with the RC circuit, and that the charging is exponential with time. You need to write the equation for the capacitor voltage as a function of time, and use that equation to solve for a-d.

Yes. New:

a) Q = C * E * (1 - e^{(-t)/R*C}
Q = 9,932x10^{-6} c


b) I = E/R * e^{(-t)/R*C}
I = 3,37x10^{-8} A

(c) and (d) I not find equation
 
Apprentice123 said:
Yes. New:

a) Q = C * E * (1 - e^{(-t)/R*C}
Q = 9,932x10^{-6} c


b) I = E/R * e^{(-t)/R*C}
I = 3,37x10^{-8} A

(c) and (d) I not find equation

c) the rate at which energy is stored in capacitor
d) the rate at which energy is supplied by the battery

What is the definition of power, in terms of energy? What is the power dissipated in a resistor in terms of I and V? How is the energy stored on a capacitor defined?
 
berkeman said:
What is the definition of power, in terms of energy? What is the power dissipated in a resistor in terms of I and V? How is the energy stored on a capacitor defined?

Energy in a capacitor charged:

1/2 * C * V^2
 
Apprentice123 said:
Energy in a capacitor charged:

1/2 * C * V^2

Since you already found a relationship between charge and time and another between charge flow rate (i.e. current) and time, it's wise to express energy in terms of charge. Then you can use calculus to find the equation for power.
 
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ideasrule said:
Since you already found a relationship between charge and time and another between charge flow rate (i.e. current) and time, it's wise to express energy in terms of charge. Then you can use calculus to find the equation for power.

c)
U = 1/2 * E^2 * C
U = 5x10^{-5}J

d)
E = (Q*E)/(t)
E = 1x10^{-5}J


It is correct ?
 
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Apprentice123 said:
c)
U = 1/2 * E^2 * C
U = 5x10^{-5}J

d)
E = (Q*E)/(t)
E = 1x10^{-5}J


It is correct ?

Part (c) is not correct. What you have calculated is the total energy stored in the capacitor (after it has charged fully). The question is asking for the *rate* at which energy is stored (during the charging process)

For part (d), I would follow berkeman's advice in his latest post and investigate power.
 
  • #12
I meant that you should express, for part c), the energy stored on the capacitor in terms of the charge on the capacitor.
 

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