Calculating coefficient of friction given m, applied force, and a

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The problem involves calculating the coefficient of friction for a book with a given mass, applied force, and acceleration. The context includes discussions about the forces acting on the book and the interpretation of the equations related to friction and motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to reconcile different interpretations of the applied force and acceleration signs, questioning the validity of the source material.
  • Some participants suggest that the direction of acceleration should align with the applied force, raising concerns about the signs used in calculations.
  • Others express skepticism about the reliability of the source, noting potential confusion in the definitions provided.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem and the equations involved. There is a recognition of inconsistencies in the source material, and some guidance has been offered regarding the signs of forces and acceleration. However, no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or interpretation.

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There are concerns about the accuracy of the provided equations and definitions, particularly regarding the normal force and the signs used for gravitational acceleration. The original poster also notes the informal nature of the source material, which may affect its reliability.

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Homework Statement


From http://library.thinkquest.org/10796/index.html (#6)

A book has a mass of 400 g. When you slided the book against the floor with 5 N, it accelerated at the rate of -1.5 m/s2. What would the coefficient of friction between the book and the floor be?

[tex]g=9.80m/s^2[/tex]

Homework Equations


[tex]F=ma[/tex]
[tex]F_f=\mu F_N[/tex]
[tex]F_N=mg[/tex] (The site actually states the normal force to be equal to negative mass times gravitational acceleration, but with a negative value for gravitational acceleration. I'm going with Wikipedia, though.)
[tex]n\textrm{g}=\frac{n}{1000}\textrm{kg}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


First off, I'd like to say that this site was made by high school seniors, so I'm put in the uncomfortable position of not being able to readily accept everything that's there.

Next, why is the applied force positive but the acceleration negative? I'll just assume that that was a mistake and that the applied force should actually be -5N.

[tex]-5\textrm{N}+F_f=F\implies F_f=F+5\textrm{N}[/tex]
(Right? It seems right to me...)
[tex]F=0.4\textrm{kg} \times -1.5\textrm{m/s}^2[/tex]
[tex]F_f=\mu \times 0.4\textrm{kg} \times 9.80 \textrm{m/s}^2[/tex]
[tex]\mu=\frac{F_f}{0.4\textrm{kg} \times 9.80 \textrm{m/s}^2}=\frac{0.4\textrm{kg}\times -1.5\textrm{m/s}^2+5\textrm{N}}{0.4\textrm{kg} \times 9.80 \textrm{m/s}^2}[/tex]
[tex]\mu=1.122[/tex]
I get the same answer when I keep the applied force positive, make the acceleration positive, and use [tex]5\textrm{N}-F_f=F\implies F_f=5\textrm{N}-F.[/tex]

Yet, the site's answer is 0.15.

I even tried using a positive applied force with a negative acceleration (pretending that friction could make an object go in the opposite direction of the applied force).

[tex]5\textrm{N}-F_f=F\implies F_f=5\textrm{N}-F[/tex]
[tex]F=0.4\textrm{kg} \times -1.5\textrm{m/s}^2[/tex]
[tex]F_f=\mu \times 0.4\textrm{kg} \times 9.80 \textrm{m/s}^2[/tex]
[tex]\mu=\frac{F_f}{0.4\textrm{kg} \times 9.80 \textrm{m/s}^2}=\frac{5\textrm{N}-0.4\textrm{kg}\times -1.5\textrm{m/s}^2}{0.4\textrm{kg} \times 9.80 \textrm{m/s}^2}[/tex]
[tex]\mu=1.429[/tex]

Then I realized that, using 400 instead of 0.4, you get -0.152, -0.152, and 0.154, respectively, for the three attempts described above.

Somebody, please, what is going on here?? I'd really appreciate some help, and it'd be great if you simply told me that the site was really wrong. :-p

Thank you!
 
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From data given, maximum frictional force=mg<5N(applied force)
The direction of acceleration should be positive.
 
As aziziwi states, the acceleration given in the problem should be in the same direction as the applied force ... so it should have the same sign.

The site says that the normal force is -mg is correct if g=-9.8m.s-2 ... i.e. the normal force is equal and opposite to gravity, which you'd normally give as mg. Take care interpreting equations ... a minus sign in front of a thingy does not have to imply that you take the negative of that thingy.

But the site looks somewhat confused to me. It says at the top that this is by students for students, and I see no way to edit it or submit corrections, so I'm not really all that surprised.
 
Site is pretty bad. I'm surprised it is not first proofread and checked by a teacher before posting.
 

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