Calculating Convolution Integrals with Unit Step Functions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the convolution integral involving unit step functions, specifically the expression y(t) = e^{-3t}u(t) * u(t+3). Participants explore the setup and evaluation of the integral, focusing on the implications of the unit step functions in the context of convolution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the convolution integral and the role of the unit step functions. There are attempts to clarify the limits of integration and the conditions under which the integral evaluates to zero. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the step functions and their impact on the final expression.

Discussion Status

Several participants provide insights and suggestions for refining the approach to the problem. There is recognition of the need to address the behavior of the integral under different conditions, particularly when t < -3. Some participants propose using a unit step function to ensure the output is zero in certain ranges, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the independent variable in the integral and the implications of the unit step functions on the limits of integration. There is an acknowledgment of the potential confusion arising from the notation used for the unit step function.

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Homework Statement


Compute the following

y(t)=e^{-3t}u(t)\ast u(t+3)


Homework Equations


u(t) is the unit step function.


The Attempt at a Solution



I get confused with these for some reason...

y(t)= \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}e^{-3 \tau}u(\tau)u(t-\tau+3)d\tau

This is where I have my first problem, trying to eliminate the step functions. I tried

y(t)= \int^{t+3}_{0}e^{-3 \tau}d\tau

Does that look right?

Finally integrating that with my limits gave:

[1/3 - e^{-3(t+3)}]u(t+3)

Now the step function I added at the end, and I'm not quite sure why... My main problem is dealing with the step functions, any suggestions/ confirmations I did it wrong or right?
 
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dashkin111 said:
y(t)= \int^{t+3}_{0}e^{-3 \tau}d\tau

Does that look right?

Finally integrating that with my limits gave:

[1/3 - e^{-3(t+3)}]u(t+3)

Now the step function I added at the end, and I'm not quite sure why... My main problem is dealing with the step functions, any suggestions/ confirmations I did it wrong or right?

the fact that the symbol you use for the (heaviside) unit step function is u(t) not "h(t)", which is what is used by a lot of folks in the mathematics discipline (and you didn't use the term "heaviside function") makes me think that this is an EE course. likely the first Linear System Theory course (or whatever your school calls it). no?

now, i think i see one error. let's break it up a little. let's say it's:

y(t) = h(t) \ * \ x(t)

or, maybe a better notation is:

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t)where

h(t) = e^{-3 t}u(t)
and
x(t) = u(t+3)

Convolution of h(t) against x(t) is

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} h(\tau) x(t-tau) \ d\tau = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x(\tau) h(t-tau) \ d\tau

you can pick either integral. but be careful. it looks to me that you intended to pick

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} h(\tau) x(t-tau) \ d\tau

or

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-3 \tau}u(\tau) u((t-\tau)+3) \ d\tau

now remember that it is \tau that is your independent variable inside the integral, not t. so you might want to express it as

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-3 \tau}u(\tau) u( \ -(\tau-(t+3))\ ) \ d\tau

you are correct that the bottom limit is always zero because of u(\tau). but what is the top limit? u(a) is zero whenever the argument, a<0 . likewise u(-a) is zero whenever the argument, a>0. so u(\ -(\tau-(t+3))\) is zero whenever \tau-(t+3)&gt;0 or \tau&gt;t+3. hmmm. so it looks like you did the integral right, at least for the case when the upper limit t+3 is greater than the lower limit of 0.

in the case that the upper limit t+3 is less than the lower limit of 0, then you have to recognize that for all \tau, at least one of those unit step functions are zero, so you are integrating something that is zero for all \tau, so your integral is zero. this happens whenever t+3 < 0 or t<-3. but your integral

y(t)= \int^{t+3}_{0}e^{-3 \tau}d\tau

still evaluates to something that is not necessarily zero when t<-3, so you have to fix the result so it is

y(t) = \frac{1}{3} \left(1 - e^{-3(t+3)} \right)

when t>-3 and

y(t) = 0

when t<-3 . how're you going to do that?
 
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rbj said:
the fact that the symbol you use for the (heaviside) unit step function is u(t) not "h(t)", which is what is used by a lot of folks in the mathematics discipline (and you didn't use the term "heaviside function") makes me think that this is an EE course. likely the first Linear System Theory course (or whatever your school calls it). no?

now, i think i see one error. let's break it up a little. let's say it's:

y(t) = h(t) \ * \ x(t)

or, maybe a better notation is:

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t)


where

h(t) = e^{-3 t}u(t)
and
x(t) = u(t+3)

Convolution of h(t) against x(t) is

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} h(\tau) x(t-tau) \ d\tau = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x(\tau) h(t-tau) \ d\tau

you can pick either integral. but be careful. it looks to me that you intended to pick

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} h(\tau) x(t-tau) \ d\tau

or

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-3 \tau}u(\tau) u((t-\tau)+3) \ d\tau

now remember that it is \tau that is your independent variable inside the integral, not t. so you might want to express it as

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-3 \tau}u(\tau) u( \ -(\tau-(t+3))\ ) \ d\tau

you are correct that the bottom limit is always zero because of u(\tau). but what is the top limit? u(a) is zero whenever the argument, a<0 . likewise u(-a) is zero whenever the argument, a>0. so u(\ -(\tau-(t+3))\) is zero whenever \tau-(t+3)&gt;0 or \tau&gt;t+3. hmmm. so it looks like you did the integral right, at least for the case when the upper limit t+3 is greater than the lower limit of 0.

in the case that the upper limit t+3 is less than the lower limit of 0, then you have to recognize that for all \tau, at least one of those unit step functions are zero, so you are integrating something that is zero for all \tau, so your integral is zero. this happens whenever t+3 < 0 or t<-3. but your integral

y(t)= \int^{t+3}_{0}e^{-3 \tau}d\tau

still evaluates to something that is not necessarily zero when t<-3, so you have to fix the result so it is

y(t) = \frac{1}{3} \left(1 - e^{-3(t+3)} \right)

when t>-3 and

y(t) = 0

when t<-3 . how're you going to do that?

Wouldn't the y(t) = 0 when t <-3 be taken care of by just multiplying that whole thing by a step function u(t+3)


y(t) = 1/3[1-e^{-3(t+3)}]u(t+3)
?
 
dashkin111 said:
Wouldn't the y(t) = 0 when t <-3 be taken care of by just multiplying that whole thing by a step function u(t+3)


y(t) = 1/3[1-e^{-3(t+3)}]u(t+3)
?

yes.

thus ends the lesson. :smile:
 

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