Calculating Dipole Moment for Spherical Surface of Radius R

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The discussion revolves around calculating the dipole moment for a spherical surface with a given surface charge density, specifically \(\sigma = k \cos\theta\). Participants are exploring the correct setup for the integration involved in determining the dipole moment.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to set up the integral for the dipole moment but questions the correctness of their expression for the radial distance and area element. Other participants discuss the relationship between the charge distribution and the coordinates involved, particularly focusing on the z-coordinate and its relevance to the dipole moment calculation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing clarifications regarding the setup. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion, and a few suggestions have been made regarding the integration terms. However, no consensus has been reached on the overall approach or final solution.

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There are indications of uncertainty regarding the integration setup and the area element used in the calculations. The original poster also expresses concern about the volume of problems to tackle in Griffith's textbook, suggesting a potential constraint on their study time.

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Griffith' E&M problem 3.28 page 151

Given a spherical surface of radius R which carries a surface charge [itex]\simga = k \cos\theta[/itex]

Calculate the dipole moment of this charge distribtuion

well using this equation

[tex]\vec{p} = \int \vec{r'} \sigma(\theta') dA' = \int Rk \cos\theta R^2 \sin\theta d\theta d\phi[/tex]

but i was told that this setup is wrong that - tat the first term in the integration which i have as R should be [itex]R \cos\theta[/itex] why is that??

what about my area element is that correct?

Please help

thank you in advance!
 
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A simple dipole moment of two charges is the magnitude of the charge times the distance between them pointing from negative to positive. Taken from their center of charge that would be the sum of the products of the charges times the position vector from the center. You are adding a bunch of charges that are positive in the upper half space and negative in the lower half with cylindrical symmetry. You need the z coordinates of each bit of charge times the charge. The z coordinate is R*cosθ. The area element is OK.
 
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OlderDan said:
A simple dipole moment of two charges is the magnitude of the charge times the distance between them pointing from negative to positive. Taken from their center of charge that would be the sum of the products of the charges times the position vector from the center. You are adding a bunch of charges that are positive in the upper half plane and negative in the lower half with cylindrical symmetry. You need the z coordinates of each bit of charge times the charge. The z coordinate is R*cosθ. The area element is OK.

that makes sense now thanks!

do you have griffith's textbook
what do you think are 'good' questions to do in the 'more problem' section for chapter 3?
15 questions seems rather arduous since i would liek to go onto chapter 4...
 
stunner5000pt said:
that makes sense now thanks!

do you have griffith's textbook
what do you think are 'good' questions to do in the 'more problem' section for chapter 3?
15 questions seems rather arduous since i would liek to go onto chapter 4...
No I don't have the book
 

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