Discussion Overview
The discussion focuses on calculating the drag force on a submarine during yaw movements, particularly how rotational drag interacts with linear drag when the submarine is both turning and moving forward. Participants explore the complexities of drag modeling in a submarine simulator, emphasizing realism in physics.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Conceptual clarification
Main Points Raised
- One participant describes the challenge of calculating rotational drag during yaw movements and questions the interaction between rotational and linear drag during simultaneous movements.
- Another participant notes that when turning, the effective cross-sectional area of the hull increases due to its length, suggesting that the drag coefficient should be considered for a circular section rather than an elongated hull.
- It is mentioned that the highest drag for a vehicle occurs in strong crosswinds, where the vector sum of ground speed and crosswind leads to significant energy loss.
- Participants discuss the importance of analyzing total velocity and drag across various hull cross-sections, highlighting that drag values differ at the bow, stern, and center of mass.
- One participant explains that the rudder's main function is to create differing drag values on the port and starboard sides, inducing a yaw moment that must overcome the submarine's yaw moment of inertia during turns.
- There is a mention of the additional rotational drag induced by the turn itself, which includes friction and form drag, as well as profile drag from fins experiencing different flow types.
- Participants note that turning requires extra energy from the engines, and without additional thrust, forward velocity may decrease, especially during sharper turns.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express various viewpoints on the interaction of rotational and linear drag, and while some concepts are discussed in detail, there is no consensus on the best approach to modeling these forces in the context of a submarine simulator.
Contextual Notes
Participants acknowledge the complexity of drag calculations, including the dependence on the shape of the hull and the effects of different flow conditions. There are unresolved aspects regarding the mathematical modeling of these interactions.