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Calculating elastic constants Cijkl

  1. Apr 2, 2010 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    Longnitudal and transverse soundwaves in nickel (FCC lattice) moves at velocities 5300m/s 3800m/s. Determine the elastic constants Cijkl


    2. Relevant equations

    [tex]v =\sqrt{C_{ij}/\rho}[/tex]

    3. The attempt at a solution
    I guess I can calculate Cij with that equation....but I dont understand how I get the indices ij, or ijkl...And I dont understand how am I supposed to use the longnitudal AND transverse wave speeds....
     
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  3. Apr 2, 2010 #2

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    been a while, but as I remember it, the elastic stiffness tensor relates stress to strain y
    [tex] \sigma_{ij} = \textbf{C}_{ijkl} \epsilon_{kl} [/tex]

    in the anisotropic case, the are upto 21 independentcomponest [tex] \textbf{C}_{ijkl} [/tex]to see:
    http://www.efunda.com/formulae/solid_mechanics/mat_mechanics/hooke.cfm

    when the material is isotropic, things simplify a fair bit & the stiffness tensor can be represented uniquley by 2 parameters (often E and [itex] \nu [/itex], the young's modulus & poisson's ratio)
    http://www.efunda.com/formulae/solid_mechanics/mat_mechanics/hooke_isotropic.cfm

    these should be reasonably easily relatable to the longitudinal & transverse wave speeds...
     
  4. Apr 6, 2010 #3
    Thanks for answer. But I still didnt get it. There was some strange matrices in those links, and we havent talked about those in the class, so I dont think that's what I'm supposed to use.

    I also didnt understand the indices. For example if I have i=2 and j=1 for C21, what does it exactly mean?
     
  5. Apr 8, 2010 #4
    one last cry for help. then i quit :) exam tomorrow :(
     
  6. Apr 8, 2010 #5

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    do you have any more info?

    is the material isotropic & how many dimensions are you working in?
     
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  7. Apr 8, 2010 #6
    nope that's all I have :(
    but this is an introductory course, so maybe I am supposed to make some assumptions? I dont know...

    lets assume it's isotropic
     
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  8. Apr 8, 2010 #7

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    ok i believe Cij is the component of the stiffness matrix as outlined above, there's no reall easy way to go through it... Cij is the ith row, jth component of thw stiffness matrix given in
    http://www.efunda.com/formulae/solid_mechanics/mat_mechanics/hooke_isotropic.cfm
    (a condensed matrix form of the full cijkl tensor)

    i'm not too sure what C12 means, but in the matrix it relates the stress in the x dir'n to a normal strain in the y dir'n... so 1-3 represent normal stress/strain, 4-6 shear stress/strain..

    then i think C11, C22, C33 will represent the longitudinal speeds (all same in isotropic)
    while C44, C55, C66 will represnet the shear wave speeds (all same in isotropic)

    from a bit of googling on elastic isotropic materials, to remember this stuff...

    first shear velocity is relateable to the shear mdoulus
    [tex] v_s = \sqrt{\frac{G}{\rho}}[/tex]
    The shear modulus is then relateable to young's modulus & poissons ratio by
    [tex] G = \frac{E}{2(1+\nu)}}[/tex]

    now longitudinal velocity is relateable to young's modulus & poissons ratio by
    [tex] v_s = \sqrt{\frac{E(1-\nu)}{\rho(1-2\nu)(1+\nu)}}[/tex]

    so you shold be able to solve for E & nu, knowing vp, vs & denisty & assuming linear elastic isotropic

    this would then allow you to fill out the stiffness matrix as given... ie the Cij
    note i think vp = sqrt(C11/rho) and vs = sqrt(C44/rho) which gives some cofidence that we're on the right track

    anyway hope this of some help, if its introductory we may be deving into it a bit much...
     
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  9. Apr 8, 2010 #8

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