Calculating Energy Requirements for a Solar Sails Satellite Orbiting the Sun

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The discussion revolves around the energy requirements and feasibility of a 1-pound satellite with solar sails reaching 50% of the speed of light while orbiting the Sun. Participants explore the implications of solar pressure, the necessary size of the sails, and the potential effects of additional propulsion methods like EMPs or diamagnetic sails.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the kinetic energy formula E=(1/2)m*v^2 to calculate the energy needed for the satellite to reach the desired speed.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the stability of the satellite's orbit as it accelerates, suggesting that it would need to decrease its distance from the Sun, potentially leading to a collision.
  • There is speculation that achieving a stable orbit at 0.5C may not be possible, with suggestions of alternative celestial bodies like black holes or neutron stars being considered.
  • Some participants clarify that solar sails operate differently from traditional sails, as the force exerted is always directed away from the Sun.
  • Concerns are expressed about the practicality of using solar sails for high-speed travel, with one participant stating that they are not a good option for attaining large linear speeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of maintaining a stable orbit at high speeds, with some suggesting it is impossible while others propose alternative scenarios. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of solar sails for achieving the desired velocity.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the nature of solar pressure, the mechanics of orbital dynamics at high speeds, and the lack of detailed calculations regarding the size of the solar sails required.

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If we have a 1 pound Satellite with Solar Sails orbiting the Sun reflecting Energy through Solar Pressure from the Sun at a safe distance, (How much would the total Energy be) to reach 50% the speed of Light and (how big would the Solar Sails need to be) to reach this Velocity in exactly 1 Year.:bugeye:

also, Is there any Data on stepping up this process with added EMP's vs. a Highly Diamagnetic Solar Sail?
 
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Intuitive said:
If we have a 1 pound Satellite with Solar Sails orbiting the Sun reflecting Energy through Solar Pressure from the Sun at a safe distance, (How much would the total Energy be) to reach 50% the speed of Light and (how big would the Solar Sails need to be) to reach this Velocity in exactly 1 Year.:bugeye:

also, Is there any Data on stepping up this process with added EMP's vs. a Highly Diamagnetic Solar Sail?

Well, the energy required is easy, E=(1/2)m*v^2

For the rest of it, you're on your own...
 
Yikes, I was thinking about it and as the satellite gained speed, it's orbit would have to decrease in distance from the sun (to retain a stable orbit), and because the distance would be decreasing, the energy hitting the sails would be increasing... helping you acceleration I suppose but would you hit 0.5C before you got too close to the sun?

Mercury orbits at 47.89 km/s, MUCH slower than C which is about 300 km/s (1/6260 C) to be exact, so for 0.5 C the orbital distance would have to be 1/3130 that of the orbital distance of Mercury... OUCH. That would mean instead of 57.9 million kilometers away you would only be 18500 km away, OR IN THE SUN since the diameter of the sun is about 1.4 million kilometers...

I think I may have discovered a problem with this... Basically, you can't have a stable orbit of 0.5C around our sun... but perhaps a black hole or very small neutron star?

Perhaps an eccentric orbit like a comet where at your minimum distance you hit 0.5C... no that wouldn't work either.

I don't know, I don't think this could work, you couldn't achieve a stable orbit... somebody jump in if I'm wrong...
 
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Well, I think for that reason, the satellite would spiral out of orbit. Solar sails don't work like sails on boats - the force is always directly away from the sun.

More info to go on, intuitive: at 1AU, the solar flux is about 1400 w/m^2.
 
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Well, I think for that reason, the satellite would spiral out of orbit. Solar sails don't work like sails on boats - the force is always directly away from the sun.

More info to go on, intuitive: at 1AU, the solar flux is about 1400 w/m^2.

All the more reason why I think linear Speed is not the answer to space travel.:bugeye:
 
Intuitive said:
All the more reason why I think linear Speed is not the answer to space travel.:bugeye:

Well, solar sails are not a very good option for attaining a large linear speed anyway.
 

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