Calculating engine parameters from power requirement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining engine parameters based on defined power requirements for an engine, particularly in the context of an SI engine. Participants explore how to relate power and torque requirements to engine architecture, including bore, stroke, compression ratio, and fuel injection amounts.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their approach to defining engine power requirements based on driving dynamics and seeks guidance on extending this to engine parameters.
  • Another participant provides a link to a document that may contain relevant information on performance and operating characteristics of internal combustion engines.
  • A different participant shares a link to an engine horsepower calculator, suggesting it could assist in the calculations needed.
  • One participant mentions general torque production figures for engines with four valves per cylinder, providing specific examples of torque and horsepower for various engines to illustrate typical performance metrics.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of using the torque curve to understand the performance envelope, noting how power curves affect acceleration rates across different gears.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various viewpoints and resources, but there is no consensus on the specific methods for determining engine parameters from power requirements. Multiple approaches and examples are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between power requirements and engine parameters, indicating potential limitations in their current understanding or available data.

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Individuals interested in engine design, automotive engineering, or performance optimization may find the discussion relevant.

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Hi,
I've defined engine power requirements based on driving dynamics, but am not sure how to extend this to engine parameters. From design requirements, I've fixed my gear ratios, and hence can determine how much power and torque is required from the engine at a particular speed.
I want to then determine the architecture of the engine, in terms of bore, stroke, compression ratio, amount of fuel injected, as values that I can tune. Since its an SI engine, I'm taking air fuel ratio as stoichiometric, but I'm still unable to figure out how to determine the engine parameters as a function of the power required ?
Thanks in advance.
 
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As a general rule, most engines with 4 valves per cylinder will produce about 65 to 85 ft-lbs per liter. The 85 ft-lb figure is common for performance motorcycles and high end exotic type cars. For a mid-range example, a 2015 Genesis 5.0 normally aspirated v8 has a 5.038 liter engine, produces 383 ft lb of torque for 76 ft lbs per liter at 5000 rpm, and it produces 420 hp at 6000 rpm. The power is an issue of how high the rpm is at peak power. For a high end example, Kawasaki ZX14R motorcycle, 1.441 liter engine, 120 ft lb of torque at 7600 rpm for 83.3 ft lb torque per liter, and produces 197 hp at 10,000 rpm.
 
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If you want to see the "performance envelope" it's easier to use the torque curve. The power curve produces different acceleration rates in each gear, and acceleration rate per unit power declines as engine rpm and/or drive wheel rpm increases. Note that drive wheel power is the same as engine power less driveline losses regardless of gear ratio.
 

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