Calculating Eq.(23) from Eq.(15): Seeking Help!

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The discussion focuses on deriving Equation (23) from Equation (15) in a theoretical paper on dark matter. Participants suggest a systematic approach involving the derivation of Feynman Rules from the Lagrangian, calculating the amplitude of relevant diagrams, and considering both spin-independent and spin-dependent scenarios. Specific techniques include squaring the amplitude and integrating over kinematic variables, with references to Peskin and Schroeder for cross-section formulas. The conversation highlights the need for a step-by-step quantitative approach to complete the derivation.

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Hi, guys,

I'm reading a theoretical paper on dark matter, http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0307185.pdf .

Above the Eq.(23) of section 3, it says Eq.(23) could be calculated easily from Eq.(15).
I've asked a theorist(senior PhD student), but no satisfied calculation obtained.

Can any people here please tell me how the Eq.(23) has been deprived ?
Any useful hit / tip is also welcome !

Thank !Jun
 
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Step 1: Derive the Feynman Rules from the Lagrangian

This should be fairly easy. Just set some in/out states and reduce it. The first term should give a vertex where 1 nucleon and 1 DM go in, and they go back out (like a big X), and the coefficient is $$ -i 4 f_N$$, then the second term will give something similar but with the spin structure still there.

Step 2: Find the Amplitude of the sum of diagrams for what process you want

So write down the diagrams, there are two, one from each of those terms.
Keep intact the spinors, making their indices explicit ##\vec{S} \rightarrow S^a##
Then square it to get the amplitude squared. ##|M|^2 = M^{\dagger} M## (amplitude times the hermitian conjugate of amplitude). These are spin-dependent amplitudes still.

Then you have to choose. For "SI = Spin-Independent" you sum over the final spins, average over the initial. There should be some identities for weyl spinors for this, and it reduces.

Also, look into if there are low-momentum versions (q^2-> 0) for the explicit spinors. Not sure if that matters.

For the SD one I'm not sure right away, there should be some reduction allowed from the spin states, and then you can relate the dot products to the total angular momentums (thats why there's J's).

Then go find the 2-> 2 cross section formula, either the PDG kinematics pdf or peskin and schroder should have it. You then just have to integrate over the kinematic variables. I think in the low-moment approximation maybe they'll have done a taylor expansion before integration.

Hope that's a start?
 
Hi, Hepth,

Thanks for your comments !
Sorry if I forgot to tell you I'm an experimentalist.

What you mentioned is more detailed than the PhD student told me before.
However, I have to say, I still don't know how to finish it quantitatively(derive it step by step).

If possible, could you please give me more detailed explanation ?
For simple, let's forget the Spin-depedent part, and only focus on the spin-independent, saying, the first term of Eq.(15).
I have Peskin on my hands, but it's too much work for me to find the corresponding chapter/section.

Thanks again !Jun
 

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