Calculating Flow Rate and Loss Coefficients in a Complex Fluid Tank System

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the flow rate and head loss in a fluid system involving two tanks connected by a pipe. Participants explore the implications of various loss coefficients due to bends and abrupt entrances/exits, as well as the application of the energy equation to determine the height difference between the tanks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the problem and requests assistance in determining the height difference between two tanks connected by a pipe, providing specific loss coefficients for various components.
  • Another participant suggests that the height difference creates the flow and emphasizes the need to account for head losses due to minor losses from bends and abrupt entrances/exits.
  • A participant proposes using the energy equation to relate the height difference to head loss, noting that pressure and velocity terms cancel out due to the large tank sizes.
  • One participant calculates the Reynolds number and friction factor, arriving at a height difference of approximately 18.79m, seeking validation of their result.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the Reynolds number calculation, suggesting it appears too low and recommending a review of the units used.
  • A participant revises their calculations, correcting the Reynolds number and finding a more realistic head difference of 4.95m, thanking others for their assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the Reynolds number and the resulting height difference calculations. There is no consensus on the correctness of the values presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the final calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific loss coefficients and the energy equation but do not fully resolve the implications of their calculations or assumptions regarding fluid dynamics in the system.

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I'm stuck with this problem, can anyone help me please?

Two large tanks are connected by a cast iron pipe 50mm in diameter and 50m long. There are eight 60 degree and four 90 degree bends along the length of the pipe. The inlet to and the exit from the pipe are abrupt and the rate of flow of water through the pipe is 6 litres/second. Determine the difference between the supplying and receiving tank.

The following values may be assumed for the loss coefficients k:

abrupt entrance k=0.5 abrupt exit k=1.0
60 degree bend k=0.45 90 degree bend k=1.15

I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Thanks :rolleyes:
 
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Basically you are working backwards to determine the difference in height of fluid in the two tanks. That difference creates the flow from one tank to the other. You have to take into account the head losses due to the minor losses mentioned, i.e. entrance and exit, bends, etc...
 
kris said:
I'm stuck with this problem, can anyone help me please?

Two large tanks are connected by a cast iron pipe 50mm in diameter and 50m long. There are eight 60 degree and four 90 degree bends along the length of the pipe. The inlet to and the exit from the pipe are abrupt and the rate of flow of water through the pipe is 6 litres/second. Determine the difference between the supplying and receiving tank.

The following values may be assumed for the loss coefficients k:

abrupt entrance k=0.5 abrupt exit k=1.0
60 degree bend k=0.45 90 degree bend k=1.15

I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Thanks :rolleyes:


use the energy equation. Take point one to be the surface of tank one and take point two to be the surface of tank two.
I don't know how to type all the symbols, but basically, the pressure at both surfaces is the same and that term cancels out. The same goes for the velocity term because the tanks are sufficiently large such that the surface is not descending.

What's left is the difference in height, which is equal to the head loss in the system. The head loss is equal to:

(Ke + 8Kb + 4KB + KE + fL/D)*(V^2/2g)

Ke, Kb, KB, and KE are the loss coefficients for the given bends, entrances, and expansions.

fL/D is the frictive loss coefficient, where
f is the resistance coefficient obtained from moody's diagram, L is the length of the pipe, and D is the diameter

V is the velocity in the pipe, which is constant because the pipe is of constant diameter and g is the gravitational acceleration

use the discharge value you were given to find the velocity and reynolds number for the moodys diagram
 
Thank you very much
 
Just checking

So I wondered if you could tell me what I worked out now is correct...

I got that Reynolds number is 1.43 x 10-4, and that therefore f equals 0.0275

This then gave me a value of 18.79m approx. for the difference in height.

Does this look rounghly right?
 
I haven't had a chance to look over the numbers, but your Reynolds number looks way too low. I would double check your units on the numbers that went into that calculation.

The value for the delta P doesn't look too bad. That equates to about 27 psi for water.
 
I re-worked it out and found that i had used of the length of the pipe in Reynolds EQn rather than the diameter. So i now get Reynolds to be about 2.8 x 10 to the 4. Which gave me a more realisistic head of 4.95m. So thanks again for your help.

PS i like you quote, its so true!
 

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