Calculating Force Exerted by Laser Beam on a Mirror

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the force exerted by a laser beam on a mirror that reflects the light completely. The context includes concepts from optics and momentum transfer, specifically relating to photons and their properties such as energy and momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the force based on the number of photons emitted and their momentum. Some participants question the reasoning behind the factor of 2 in the momentum change when the photons reflect off the mirror.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided checks on the calculations, while others are exploring the reasoning behind specific aspects of the momentum transfer. There is an ongoing clarification regarding the implications of reflection versus absorption of light.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the assumptions related to the behavior of light upon reflection and the definitions of momentum in this context. There is a focus on understanding the physical principles rather than arriving at a definitive solution.

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Homework Statement



A laser beam ([tex]\mathrm{Power} = 1\ \mathrm{W})[/tex] is completely reflected by a mirror perpendicular to the beam. Light is made of photons, and each photon carries an energy [tex]E = h\nu[/tex] and a momentum [tex]P = h/\lambda[/tex], where [tex]\nu[/tex] is the frequency, [tex]\lambda[/tex] is the wavelength and [tex]h[/tex] is Planck's constant. Find the force with which light pushes the mirror.

Homework Equations


Apart from those already present in the problem statement, I have:
[tex]\lambda \nu = c[/tex]

[tex]F = \frac{dp}{dt}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Each second, the light source emits [tex]n[/tex] photons, each one carries an energy [tex]E = h\nu = hc/\lambda[/tex], for a total power of [tex]1\ \mathrm{W}[/tex]. This gives:

[tex]\displaystyle n = \frac P E = \frac{\lambda}{hc}[/tex]

In one second then, [tex]n[/tex] photons hit the mirror and bounce back, which gives:

[tex]\displaystyle F = \frac{dp}{dt} = n \cdot 2p = 2 \frac{\lambda}{hc}\cdot \frac{h}{\lambda} = \frac 2 c \approx 6.67\cdot 10^{-9}\ \mathrm{N}[/tex]

The result is somewhat intuitively pleasing, can you check it is correct, please?
 
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Looks good to me.
 
Whew... Thank you Doc for checking :)
 
Sorry to dig up such an old question, but after looking at this question, I don't understand were the 2 comes from in the F=n2p. Could someone explain this to me?
Thanks
 
The momentum is twice the incoming photon's because it bounces back
Think of a ball, if you throw it to hit a wall and stop then you need twice as much force for it to hit the wall and come back at the same speed.
 
That is to say, if it was not a mirror, and the light did not reflect off the surface, the 2 would be a 1 instead?
 
faiyth said:
Sorry to dig up such an old question, but after looking at this question, I don't understand were the 2 comes from in the F=n2p.
It comes from the fact that the change in momentum is twice the original momentum.
 
faiyth said:
That is to say, if it was not a mirror, and the light did not reflect off the surface, the 2 would be a 1 instead?

Yes. If the light is absorbed then it's a 1. As Doc Al said, it's all about change in momentum.
 

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