Calculating Friction Force: A Toy Train Example

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the friction force acting on a toy train that comes to a stop after the power is turned off. The train's initial speed is given as 9.0 m/s, and it stops in 6.0 seconds. Participants are exploring the implications of the provided data and the necessary calculations involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find mass and acceleration to calculate the force, with some suggesting that kinematics could be used to find acceleration. Others express concern about the adequacy of the information provided to determine the friction force.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the completeness of the problem statement. Some have pointed out that while the acceleration can be calculated, the lack of information regarding mass prevents a full resolution of the friction force. There is a recognition of differing perspectives on how the problem could be interpreted.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the comparison to a freight train raises questions about the scaling of forces and the implications of mass differences. There is a consensus that additional information is needed to fully resolve the problem.

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Homework Statement


A toy train moves along the track at 9.0m/s. When the power is turned off, the train comes to a stop in 6.0s. The net force on friction acting on the train to stop it is


Homework Equations


F=ma


The Attempt at a Solution


how do i find mass and acceleration so that i can find force??
 
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Enough information is given for you to figure out the acceleration using kinematics, but not enough to find the friction force. Are you sure you are presenting it word-for-word as it was given?
 
yes I am one hundred percent sure.
 
dance_sg said:
yes I am one hundred percent sure.

This bothers me. Consider a real life freight train moving at the same initial speed and stopping in the same time. Surely the average force acting on it must be greater in this case. Something is missing or the problem cannot be done the way it is phrased.
 
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kuruman said:
This bothers me. Consider a real life freight train moving at the same initial speed and stopping in the same time. Surely the average force acting on it must be greater in this case. Something is missing or the problem cannot be done the way it is phrased.

Yes, the scaling factor is the mass of the freight train compared to that of the toy train. Their accelerations would be the same, but as their masses are different, the force required to bring about those accelerations would differ.

As for my perspective on the problem, I could single out the coefficient of kinetic friction, but couldn't for the life of me find an expression for the mass in terms of the question's data, so the actual force eluded me.
 
kuruman said:
Something is missing or the problem cannot be done the way it is phrased.
Right. As I said, there is not enough information given to solve for the net force.
 

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