Calculating Geosynchronous Satellite Orbit and Velocity

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The discussion revolves around calculating the radial orbit and velocity of a geosynchronous satellite orbiting the Earth. Participants explore concepts related to orbital mechanics, specifically focusing on the definitions and calculations associated with geosynchronous orbits.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the meaning of "radial orbit," with some suggesting it refers to a circular orbit. Questions are raised about the distance between the Earth and the satellite, and the relevance of radial velocity in the context of a geosynchronous orbit. There are attempts to equate gravitational force and centripetal force to find the orbital radius and velocity.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts at calculations and questioning the correctness of their methods. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the sidereal day for period calculations, and there is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between angular velocity and the satellite's position relative to the Earth.

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Participants note that the problem does not explicitly mention radial velocity, leading to some confusion. There is also a distinction made between the mean solar day and the sidereal day in relation to the satellite's orbital period.

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Homework Statement



Determine the radial orbit and velocity for a geosynchronous satellite in orbit around the earth. Remember that geosynchronous satellites are located directly above the equator and they remain above a fixed point on the equator as the Earth rotates

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what does radial orbit mean?!
i guess i'd have to find the distance between Earth and the satellite which is 6.38(10^6)+a?
then i'd do F=GMm/r^2 to find F which i could then use for F=mv^2/r find velocity.
 
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Radial orbit probably just means circular orbit.
then i'd do F=GMm/r^2 to find F which i could then use for F=mv^2/r find velocity.
You are right to bring in these two equations, although it might be more useful to express the second one in terms of radial velocity, omega. I don't know what this means, by the way:
"i guess i'd have to find the distance between Earth and the satellite which is 6.38(10^6)+a?"

But you need to bring in the condition that the orbit is geosynchronous. What does that say about the radial velocity?
 
Probably just a typo for "orbital radius"
 
LeonhardEuler said:
Radial orbit probably just means circular orbit.

You are right to bring in these two equations, although it might be more useful to express the second one in terms of radial velocity, omega. I don't know what this means, by the way:
"i guess i'd have to find the distance between Earth and the satellite which is 6.38(10^6)+a?"

But you need to bring in the condition that the orbit is geosynchronous. What does that say about the radial velocity?

how would i find radial velocity??is it the same as the earth's?
because it says nothing about radial velocity on the problem.
 
runningirl said:
how would i find radial velocity??is it the same as the earth's?
because it says nothing about radial velocity on the problem.

You are looking for the orbital radius and the angular velocity of the radius vector.

The radial velocity (the rate by which the *length* of the radius vector changes) of a circular orbit is zero.
 
Thanks gneill, I meant angular velocity, omega.
how would i find radial velocity??is it the same as the earth's?
because it says nothing about radial velocity on the problem
You know that the satellite stays over the same point on the Earth's surface. What would the angular velocity have to be relative to the Earth to accomplish that?
 
so, i took F=GMm/r^2 and F=mv^2/r and set them equal to each other to find r.
then i found the velocity using the T=2pi(r)/v equation (since T=86400 s).
is this method correct?!
 
runningirl said:
so, i took F=GMm/r^2 and F=mv^2/r and set them equal to each other to find r.
then i found the velocity using the T=2pi(r)/v equation (since T=86400 s).
is this method correct?!
Very close. You should be using the sidereal day as opposed to the mean solar day (86400 seconds) as the period.
 
D H said:
Very close. You should be using the sidereal day as opposed to the mean solar day (86400 seconds) as the period.

okay, i got something REALLY big.
r=6.67*10^-11(5.97*10^24)/v^2
86400=2*pi*(6.67*10^-11(5.97*10^24)/v^2)/v
v=3070.8 m/s
V=2pi*r/T
3070.8=2pi*r/86400
r=42226910.18m
circular orbit=2pi*r
=265319501.6m?
 
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Hidden somewhere amidst your answer is the correct answer, or something close to it.

Explain each step.
 
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i set F=GMm/r^2 and F=mv/r^2 equal to one another and found that r=GM/v^2...
i then took that r (r=6.67*10^-11(5.97*10^24)/v^2) and did T=2pi*r/V.
86400=2*pi*(6.67*10^-11(5.97*10^24)/v^2)/v
v=3070.8 m/s

V=2pi*r/T (i did this to find the radius)
3070.8=2pi*r/86400
r=42226910.18m

circular orbit=2pi*r
=265319501.6m?
 
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What question are you trying to answer with the last bit (the part starting with "circular orbit=2pi*r")?
 
  • #13
isn't circular orbit= 2*pi*r?
 
  • #14
The circumference is 2*pi*r. Were you ever asked to find the circumference?
 
  • #15
well then... how do i find the circular orbit?
 
  • #16
They probably just want the radius, r, also called the orbital radius. Calculating the circumference is not necessary.
 

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