When do I include the Earth's radius in questions involving satellites?

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The discussion revolves around the inclusion of Earth's radius in calculations involving satellites, particularly when determining gravitational potential energy and orbital radius. The context involves understanding when to add Earth's radius to the height of a satellite above the surface.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the height of a satellite above Earth's surface and the total orbital radius, questioning when to include Earth's radius in calculations. There is confusion regarding the application of this concept in different problems.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the necessity of including Earth's radius when calculating orbital radius from a height above the surface. There is ongoing clarification regarding the implications of this guidance on previously attempted problems.

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Participants are grappling with the interpretation of problem statements that specify a satellite's height above the Earth's surface and how this affects the calculations involved. There is a noted lack of consensus on the correctness of previous answers based on this understanding.

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Homework Statement
A 722-kg satellite is in circular orbit 7380 km above the surface of Earth (ME= 5.98 ´1024kg). The gravitational force acting on the satellite is
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Fg=(GMm)/r^2
The answer is 5.29 x 10^3N and I used r=7 380 000m to get it. However, in a different question like this one "If the mass of Earth is 5.98 x 10^24kg and the radius is 6.38 x10^6m, the gravitational potential energy of a 1.2x 10^3-kg satellite located in an orbit 230 km above the surface of Earth is" where the answer is –7.2 x 10^10 J, I had to use the 230 000m radius AND add Earth's radius of 6.38 x10^6m in the equation Eg= -(GMm)/r to get the answer.

Both questions say the 'satellite in orbit x km above the surface of the Earth' but I can't tell when I should add Earth's radius and when I should leave it out. I'd appreciate any help. Thank you c:
 
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Satellite orbits are always taken to be about the center of the Earth, and the orbit radius is centered there. When they give you a height above the surface and you need the orbit radius, you must always include the radius of the Earth and add the height to that.
 
gneill said:
Satellite orbits are always taken to be about the center of the Earth, and the orbit radius is centered there. When they give you a height above the surface and you need the orbit radius, you must always include the radius of the Earth and add the height to that.
Thank you! Does that mean the first question's answer is wrong then? Or am I misunderstanding it
 
checkerboard said:
Does that mean the first question's answer is wrong then? Or am I misunderstanding it
Yes, you should have included the Earth's radius.
 
gneill said:
Yes, you should have included the Earth's radius.
Thank you very much!
 
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