Calculating Helicopter Downwash Force on a House Roof at 700ft?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on calculating the downwash force exerted by a helicopter hovering at an altitude of 700 feet over a house roof. It involves theoretical approaches, assumptions about parameters, and the complexities of the calculation process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the calculation of downwash force, highlighting the need for specific parameters.
  • Another participant emphasizes the variability of the calculation based on helicopter type, gross weight, altitude, and temperature.
  • A suggestion is made to use basic momentum theory in conjunction with Bernoulli's principle for the calculation, focusing on the change in momentum of the air column related to the rotor disk area.
  • One participant proposes applying Bernoulli's principle, drawing an analogy to a truck with birds inside taking flight.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of momentum theory, particularly its inability to determine induced velocity at distances between the rotor disk and infinite distance, such as at 3 or 4 rotor radii below the rotor.
  • A later reply reiterates the limitations of momentum theory and suggests that such calculations might typically require fluid dynamics simulations or field measurements due to the numerous influencing factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate theoretical approach and the parameters necessary for the calculation, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific helicopter parameters, the complexity of induced velocity calculations at various distances, and the potential need for advanced fluid dynamics tools or empirical data.

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Does anyone know how to calculate how much downwards force a helicopter would exert on the roof of a house if it hovered over it at 700ft?

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Depends, depends, depends.

There are way too many variables that need to be nailed down. Helicopter type. Gross weight. Altitude. Temperature.
 
assume that we have all the parameters, which theory will be used for the calculation?
 
Basic momentum theory in a hover which ties into Bernoulli would be the place to start. Essentially it is calculating the change in momentum of a column of air equivalent in area to the rotor disk.

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~aero442/unit2.pdf
 
apply bernoulli.
basically its the same problem as the old trick. would your truck go light if all the birds inside it took flight at the same time.
and 700 ft a lot of distance
 
Momentum theory is very good to calculate the induced velocity at rotor dics as well as at distance very below the rotor. Unforturnately, it does not have any information for determining the induced velocity at these points which are between the rotor dics and infinite distance, for example at 3 or 4 radiaus below the rotor.
 
Hoangthien said:
Momentum theory is very good to calculate the induced velocity at rotor dics as well as at distance very below the rotor. Unforturnately, it does not have any information for determining the induced velocity at these points which are between the rotor dics and infinite distance, for example at 3 or 4 radiaus below the rotor.
That is very true. Usually something along these lines would be calculated via fluid dynamics package or simply measured in the field. There are so many things that could have an effect on the outcome.
 

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