How Much Air Mass for a Hovering Helicopter?

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The discussion revolves around a helicopter that is hovering and the mass of air that must pass through its blades to generate sufficient thrust. The problem involves concepts from fluid dynamics and momentum, particularly focusing on the relationship between the velocity of air and the forces acting on the helicopter.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the downward force due to the helicopter's weight and the upward force generated by the air being pushed down by the blades. There are attempts to apply impulse and momentum concepts, with some questioning how to determine the upward force without a clear method. Others discuss the change in momentum of the air as it is accelerated by the blades.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the momentum change of the air and questioning assumptions about the initial state of the air. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of air movement and its implications for the problem, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations needed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note assumptions about the air being initially at rest and the effects of external conditions, such as wind, on the airflow around the helicopter. There is an acknowledgment of the complexities involved in applying theoretical concepts to real-world scenarios.

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Homework Statement


During a rescue operation, a 5200-kg helicopter hovers above a fixed point. The helicopter blades send air downward with a speed of 70m/s .

What mass of air must pass through the blades every second to produce enough thrust for the helicopter to hover?

Homework Equations


ΣF = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


Since the helicopter is hovering, the magnitude of the downward forces have to be the same as the upward forces. The only downward force on the helicopter is the weight = mg. So this must equal the upward forces. I can't figure out what the upward force is. I tried using impulse and momentum to find force, but the change in momentum is zero, so impulse is zero so that doesn't help me find the force of the air on the helicopter. I know that the force the blades exert on the air, the air exerts on the helicopter, and all I have is the velocity of the air from the blades.
 
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Looks like the air is changing momentum: vi=0, vf=70 m/s.
 
lewando said:
Looks like the air is changing momentum: vi=0, vf=70 m/s.
Makes sense. I was thinking about the system as a whole. Thank you!
 
lewando said:
Looks like the air is changing momentum: vi=0, vf=70 m/s.
Hmm. How did you conclude that the air was changing speed if it says that the blade sends air down at a speed of 70m/s.
 
A blade, not unlike a fan, accelerates air from a state of not moving to moving.
 
You can assume there is no wind down- or upwards, so initially the air is at rest.
 
Alright, in a wind tunnel, vin = vout, but in free air this is much less so. Even though there would seem to be some continuity of air flow near the blade, at some point far enough away, the air is not moving.
 

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